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bsvila
QUOTE (Grace @ Aug 6 2009, 09:40 AM) *
rpedog
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Typical AR bull$hit - "if you don't believe as we do then you don't care about animals". I expected another vacuous response.


Well supposedly they get accused of the same thing...that they don't care about the animals. It's a vicious cycle.


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Let's see - who would I consult - someone who might be an expert or one who actually is an expert.


rpedog
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You would consult someone who would tell you what you wanted to hear. I know the game all too well.



I can't help but wonder how you came to be so bitter. Something happened during your prior involvement. Something that affected you quite emotionally. icon_mrgreen.gif



It's beyond being bitter for him. He puts his hate before anything and anyone. It truly is sad. I feel sorry for him. Must be difficult to live your life always looking at what the motive is of someone's action. Oh, btw, you may hate peta and every other AR group, but i have seen first hand some good things they have done. There is an 'old washed up' race horse, a 'road side zoo' black bear, and a 'junk yard' lion living at the Detroit Zoo all because peta fought for their lives. Not every group does everything wrong. Sometimes they actually do good. (Before you go off on zoos - visit the Detroit zoo) The sad part is that it is beyond you to acknowledge those good things and despise those humans who put animals in a situation where they had to be rescued.


rpedog
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You care more about what AR's are doing than you do about any animal. Your life is consumed with such hate for a 'group'. Every post you write confirms that.


Yawn. You sound like you're in high school.

QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 02:57 PM) *
It's beyond being bitter for him. He puts his hate before anything and anyone. It truly is sad. I feel sorry for him. Must be difficult to live your life always looking at what the motive is of someone's action. Oh, btw, you may hate peta and every other AR group, but i have seen first hand some good things they have done. There is an 'old washed up' race horse, a 'road side zoo' black bear, and a 'junk yard' lion living at the Detroit Zoo all because peta fought for their lives. Not every group does everything wrong. Sometimes they actually do good. (Before you go off on zoos - visit the Detroit zoo) The sad part is that it is beyond you to acknowledge those good things and despise those humans who put animals in a situation where they had to be rescued.


Hate? LMAO! Could you possibly be more juvenile?

I find it comical you believe you care more about animals than the average pet owner. The majority of ARs I've come in contact with (hundreds) from the low level to the high level, don't. Releasing domestic mink into the wild shows you don't either.

PETA fights for individual cases to keep the cash flow coming in from the largely gullible public. Whats their kill percentage now....upwards of 90% for the animals they take in? They are to be congratulated for grandstanding for a few animals? I don't think so.

The HSUS in the past actually did some good when it was an animal welfare organization. They've degenerated to animal rights with Wayne Pacelle. The HSUS may dole out a few paltry dollars here and there but considering the millions they have they're pretty pathetic at actually helping animals. What they spend their money on is lobbying for anti-animal legislation, fundraising and salaries. Going over their tax returns shows it.

That is just the tip of the iceberg with the animal rights industry. I find it comical that intellectual idiots like Gary Francione and some of his disciples fight about who's more of an "AR" these days. LMAO.
iowanic
Well; without a expert willing to come out publically that such realeases are good for the domescated mink, I'm inclined to believe your expert wasn't a 'expert'; at least not about domescated mink.

But we could go over this and over this; you're going to claim since no dead mink were found, they didn't die....you're entitled to your belief, certainly.

In any case, the article that was the start of this thread seems to been on target: ALF released animals, to thier death.
Wonder how much interaction they had with the operators of the fur farm before their move, as well.

I find this curious. It's almost like those taking part in such acts willingly desire to avoid human-contact.

Like people are something they can't deal with: that acts of crime are easier to undertake when you're not thinking that they are against actuall, living, breathing folk.

Any thought therein, Bsvila?

bsvila
QUOTE (rpedog @ Aug 6 2009, 02:39 PM) *
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You care more about what AR's are doing than you do about any animal. Your life is consumed with such hate for a 'group'. Every post you write confirms that.


Yawn. You sound like you're in high school.

QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 02:57 PM) *
It's beyond being bitter for him. He puts his hate before anything and anyone. It truly is sad. I feel sorry for him. Must be difficult to live your life always looking at what the motive is of someone's action. Oh, btw, you may hate peta and every other AR group, but i have seen first hand some good things they have done. There is an 'old washed up' race horse, a 'road side zoo' black bear, and a 'junk yard' lion living at the Detroit Zoo all because peta fought for their lives. Not every group does everything wrong. Sometimes they actually do good. (Before you go off on zoos - visit the Detroit zoo) The sad part is that it is beyond you to acknowledge those good things and despise those humans who put animals in a situation where they had to be rescued.


Hate? LMAO! Could you possibly be more juvenile?

I find it comical you believe you care more about animals than the average pet owner. The majority of ARs I've come in contact with (hundreds) from the low level to the high level, don't. Releasing domestic mink into the wild shows you don't either.

PETA fights for individual cases to keep the cash flow coming in from the largely gullible public. Whats their kill percentage now....upwards of 90% for the animals they take in? They are to be congratulated for grandstanding for a few animals? I don't think so.

The HSUS in the past actually did some good when it was an animal welfare organization. They've degenerated to animal rights with Wayne Pacelle. The HSUS may dole out a few paltry dollars here and there but considering the millions they have they're pretty pathetic at actually helping animals. What they spend their money on is lobbying for anti-animal legislation, fundraising and salaries. Going over their tax returns shows it.

That is just the tip of the iceberg with the animal rights industry. I find it comical that intellectual idiots like Gary Francione and some of his disciples fight about who's more of an "AR" these days. LMAO.



And, as i said, you will never acknowledge any good by an AR group, because of your hate for them all.
bsvila
QUOTE (iowanic @ Aug 6 2009, 02:48 PM) *
Well; without a expert willing to come out publically that such realeases are good for the domescated mink, I'm inclined to believe your expert wasn't a 'expert'; at least not about domescated mink.

But we could go over this and over this; you're going to claim since no dead mink were found, they didn't die....you're entitled to your belief, certainly.

In any case, the article that was the start of this thread seems to been on target: ALF released animals, to thier death.
Wonder how much interaction they had with the operators of the fur farm before their move, as well.

I find this curious. It's almost like those taking part in such acts willingly desire to avoid human-contact.

Like people are something they can't deal with: that acts of crime are easier to undertake when you're not thinking that they are against actuall, living, breathing folk.

Any thought therein, Bsvila?



lalala Same crap just a different day. Hate those ARs.
bsvila
QUOTE (iowanic @ Aug 6 2009, 03:48 PM) *
Well; without a expert willing to come out publically that such realeases are good for the domescated mink, I'm inclined to believe your expert wasn't a 'expert'; at least not about domescated mink.

But we could go over this and over this; you're going to claim since no dead mink were found, they didn't die....you're entitled to your belief, certainly.

In any case, the article that was the start of this thread seems to been on target: ALF released animals, to thier death.
Wonder how much interaction they had with the operators of the fur farm before their move, as well.

I find this curious. It's almost like those taking part in such acts willingly desire to avoid human-contact.

Like people are something they can't deal with: that acts of crime are easier to undertake when you're not thinking that they are against actuall, living, breathing folk.

Any thought therein, Bsvila?


So you determine he wasn't an expert because the results were what we expected and not what you expected. Funny how no dead mink were provided for the judge when he asked for proof. Once again, I don to speak for other releases which I was not involved in. Thought I made that clear. Just what do you think would be gained by speaking with the owner/operator/killer? Do you really think ARs do not deal with humans? Please, you say you were AR, for what group and what did you actually do and during what year? Were you involved in any protests?
iowanic
Perhaps, you have me mistaken for someone else; I've never been a ARA. I think I could be labeled a welfarist, but ARA? Very much no, never.

Who knows what you could have learned from those operators. Maybe you would have hated them more then anything; maybe you would have realized there was a venue to better both the lives of the mink and(Heaven forbid) better people's lives as well. Who Knows? It sound like you weren't even willing to give it a chance.

Why? What made this impossible for you?
rpedog
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 04:35 PM) *
lalala Same crap just a different day. Hate those ARs.


You just don't like being shown as yet another BS'er.

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Funny how no dead mink were provided for the judge when he asked for proof.


After how long? The absence of dead mink is somehow proof of your inane claims? ROTFLMAO!!!
Grace
bsvila
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It's beyond being bitter for him. He puts his hate before anything and anyone. It truly is sad. I feel sorry for him.


I believe rpedog is a she. I made the same mistake.
rpedog
QUOTE (Grace @ Aug 6 2009, 04:49 PM) *
bsvila
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It's beyond being bitter for him. He puts his hate before anything and anyone. It truly is sad. I feel sorry for him.


I believe rpedog is a she. I made the same mistake.


Its an honest mistake. I could have used the moniker rpebitch instead. icon_crazy.gif
Grace
QUOTE (rpedog @ Aug 6 2009, 07:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Aug 6 2009, 04:49 PM) *
bsvila
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It's beyond being bitter for him. He puts his hate before anything and anyone. It truly is sad. I feel sorry for him.


I believe rpedog is a she. I made the same mistake.


Its an honest mistake. I could have used the moniker rpebitch instead. icon_crazy.gif



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XXMag
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 05:35 PM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Aug 6 2009, 02:48 PM) *
Well; without a expert willing to come out publically that such realeases are good for the domescated mink, I'm inclined to believe your expert wasn't a 'expert'; at least not about domescated mink.

But we could go over this and over this; you're going to claim since no dead mink were found, they didn't die....you're entitled to your belief, certainly.

In any case, the article that was the start of this thread seems to been on target: ALF released animals, to thier death.
Wonder how much interaction they had with the operators of the fur farm before their move, as well.

I find this curious. It's almost like those taking part in such acts willingly desire to avoid human-contact.

Like people are something they can't deal with: that acts of crime are easier to undertake when you're not thinking that they are against actuall, living, breathing folk.

Any thought therein, Bsvila?



lalala Same crap just a different day. Hate those ARs.


That seemed to me like a rather docile and reasoned question by iowa. One that was responded to with inane boilerplate.

It looks as though rationalization is easier to undertake when you're not against actuall, living, breathing, thinking folk.
bsvila
QUOTE (rpedog @ Aug 6 2009, 05:36 PM) *
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 04:35 PM) *
lalala Same crap just a different day. Hate those ARs.


You just don't like being shown as yet another BS'er.

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Funny how no dead mink were provided for the judge when he asked for proof.


After how long? The absence of dead mink is somehow proof of your inane claims? ROTFLMAO!!!



LMAO The lack of dead mink after a year is the proof of the asinine claims of the mink killer.
RF
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 7 2009, 06:58 AM) *
QUOTE (rpedog @ Aug 6 2009, 05:36 PM) *
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 04:35 PM) *
lalala Same crap just a different day. Hate those ARs.


You just don't like being shown as yet another BS'er.

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Funny how no dead mink were provided for the judge when he asked for proof.


After how long? The absence of dead mink is somehow proof of your inane claims? ROTFLMAO!!!



LMAO The lack of dead mink after a year is the proof of the asinine claims of the mink killer.


Nobody said it proves their claims. Just that it doesn't prove yours.
XBlackX
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 12:09 AM) *
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Aug 5 2009, 05:57 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Aug 5 2009, 11:34 PM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Aug 5 2009, 04:38 PM) *
Any theories why no wildlife experts have stepped forward and pubically stated releasing domestcated mink into the wild is good for the mink?




Here's one theory which says it could be bad. But let's back up for a moment. How about we stop breeding domestic mink for fur. Then we'd have no worries, eh? Makes sense to me. Also would keep AR's out of jail. And those mink farmers? They could do something more reputable. Tomatoes.



Fewer wild minks: Birds do it, bees do it, and minks really, really do it. That's why it's a bad idea for animal rights activists to free horny domestic animals from mink farms.

The result could be rampant cross-breeding between domestic and wild mink, genetically weakening the wild population, as has happened already with farmed salmon escaping into the ocean.

Sure enough, biologists from Sudbury's Laurentian University found that two out of three mink running wild in some southern Ontario locations were actually either domestic mink or domestic-wild hybrids.

The locations, in Essex County and the municipality of Niagara, have been home to mink ranches for two decades, so there was a good chance of mink escaping and crossbreeding

To test the hypothesis, biology researcher Anne Kidd applied a sophisticated genetics ancestry test to 50-plus mink live-trapped there. In one area, only one in five was actually wild, while in the other, barely more than half were.

In the current issue of the journal Molecular Ecology, Kidd and her colleagues warn that such hybridization can lessen survival chances of the wild population by introducing inbred genes from the domestic population. As well, farmed mink are prone to Aleutian disease, an often-fatal virus, which could spread to the wild.

A Bigger Bang: It's not just the fingers of guitarists like the Rolling Stones' Keith Richards and Ronnie Wood that are synchronized – their brainwaves are as well, according to researchers in Germany.

EEG readings from eight pairs of guitarists wired up to an electroencephalograph revealed that patterns of electrical activity in their brains became more and more closely yoked as they repeated a jazz-fusion melody dozens of times.

But the researchers couldn't say whether the brain synchronization occurs first and shapes the co-ordinated strumming or vice-versa, whether watching the other performer and listening helps pull the brainwaves into sync.

The strongest synchronization patterns were measured in the frontal and central regions of the brain, says the report in a forthcoming issue of the journal BMC Neuroscience.

Sun and sweat: When the Clyde Beatty Circus set up in the open fields at Islington Ave. and Rexdale Blvd. in July 1955, the posters advertised "Big Otto – Blood Sweating Hippopotamus from the River Nile."

It wasn't really blood; it was hippo sweat, a red granular secretion that shields the wallowing animals from the equatorial sun's ultraviolet rays.

Now a group of U.S. researchers has worked out how this nature-made protection works. University of California engineering professor Christopher Vinney says the outcome could be a four-in-one manufactured product, combining hippo sweat properties of sunscreen, sunblock, antiseptic and insect repellent.

After analyzing hippo sweat collected at a Fresno zoo, Vinney and colleagues found that the oily secretion is composed of two types of liquid crystalline structures.

One combines sun-screening and sun-blocking properties. The other makes the sweat less viscous so it spreads easily and evenly over the hippo's huge hide.

The findings are published in the current issue of Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society.

http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/606242



How does this work for mink in the UK grace?



Fur farms are illegal in the United Kingdom.


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Yes i do know this but it wasn't always the case and up until their introduction in the 40s mink was not an indigenous species.
The result could be rampant cross-breeding between domestic and wild mink, genetically weakening the wild population, as has happened already with farmed salmon escaping into the ocean.


The first mass releases of mink were by mink farmers not animal rights activists and no wild mink to breed with....
bsvila
QUOTE (RF @ Aug 7 2009, 08:02 AM) *
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 7 2009, 06:58 AM) *
QUOTE (rpedog @ Aug 6 2009, 05:36 PM) *
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 04:35 PM) *
lalala Same crap just a different day. Hate those ARs.


You just don't like being shown as yet another BS'er.

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Funny how no dead mink were provided for the judge when he asked for proof.


After how long? The absence of dead mink is somehow proof of your inane claims? ROTFLMAO!!!



LMAO The lack of dead mink after a year is the proof of the asinine claims of the mink killer.


Nobody said it proves their claims. Just that it doesn't prove yours.


Okkkkk So where are the dead mink you found?
RF
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 7 2009, 01:26 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Aug 7 2009, 08:02 AM) *
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 7 2009, 06:58 AM) *
QUOTE (rpedog @ Aug 6 2009, 05:36 PM) *
QUOTE (bsvila @ Aug 6 2009, 04:35 PM) *
lalala Same crap just a different day. Hate those ARs.


You just don't like being shown as yet another BS'er.

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Funny how no dead mink were provided for the judge when he asked for proof.


After how long? The absence of dead mink is somehow proof of your inane claims? ROTFLMAO!!!



LMAO The lack of dead mink after a year is the proof of the asinine claims of the mink killer.


Nobody said it proves their claims. Just that it doesn't prove yours.


Okkkkk So where are the dead mink you found?


Once more, because nobody produced any dead mink doesn't mean that there were no dead mink. Who brought up the concern in the first place? How long transpired between the theft of the mink and the trial of the thieves who stole them?

And as I said, it seems irrelevant to the larger question to me.
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