Well hell it's her (their) fault if she (they) didn't have a clitoris they would not be cut off...
All of your arguments are moronically ridiculous and depend entirely or in part on nothing more than blaming the victim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfNAFPvHVc...feature=related


"A certain amount of aggression between chickens is normal and chickens from different genetic
strains or breeds do show different levels of aggression; for example commercial Broiler- Layer
types do show much less male to male aggression than game-type roosters, However male to
female and male to male aggression is much more pronounced in the broiler breeder roosters. In
addition to animal welfare concerns associated with hen injury and mortality, rising levels of
aggressiveness by broiler breeder males present several problems for producers, relating to
management and to profitability:
1. Hens become fearful of aggressive roosters and avoid them by remaining on the raised
slatted areas of the house. As a result, flock fertility can decrease dramatically.
2. Avoidance of roosters by hens exacerbates the problem so that when hens move off the
slats and into the scratch areas, groups of roosters "mob" and attempt to mate with them.
During these forced mating attempts, hens are injured, and sometimes killed.
3. Hen productivity is likely to be reduced as a result of stress and injuries due to avoidance
of aggressive roosters.
4.Injured hens are more prone to infection and disease, since their wounds quickly become
contaminated. This can make them more likely to be condemned by processing plants at the end
of he lay.
Sorce: Animal Welfare Dilemma of Broiler Breeder Aggressiveness
by Suzanne T. Millman, Ph.D."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfNAFPvHVc...feature=related

I'm not blaming the roosters (victims) for anything you dumbass. Nor am I blaming the African girls, since I was talking about TRADITION you simpleton.

No shit Sherlock. I can give a flying fuck.


While game-fowl enthusiasts see honor and dignity in the fights, Massey says the three cockfights he watched elsewhere in Arizona were ``a disgusting spectacle of cruelty.''
``One bird was badly injured so the handler picked him up, put the bird's head in his mouth and sucked the blood out of the bird's throat so it could continue fighting,'' says the retired elementary school teacher. ``Then he spat the chicken blood on the ground not eight feet from where children were sitting. It was sick.''



Forced to Fight? Massey and other opponents of cockfighting contend that despite such a combat-ready resume, roosters do not instinctively want to kill each other. He claims game fowl have a ``dominant submission ritual,'' naturally shying away from another rooster, that cockfighters override by forcing the chickens together.

``They rarely ever face each other in nature and to say these birds want to fight, well, who knows what's in an animal's head?'' says Massey.

``As far as eating chicken, most people would draw a line between killing for food and killing for amusement.''

The portrait of two gamecocks warring to the finish as nature intended is further skewed, Massey says, by the use of small amounts of strychnine and other performance-enhancing drugs in modern cockfighting. But the most glaring departure from what nature intended, he claims, is the use of the sharpened steel spurs on the ankles of gamecocks.
``When people discover these guys are using 3 1/2-inch razor-sharp blades on these birds, they cannot believe this is still legal,'' Massey says. Gaffs are rounded, tapered rods, sharpened only on the end, and come in various lengths, but so-called knives or blades are used in some Latin American countries for cockfighting, and at some pits in Arizona. There is division within the sport about whether knives are appropriate. ``If you start putting knives on a chicken, then I can't make the same case [for cockfighting with gaffs] because a knife does not approximate the natural bone spur,'' says Bain of the Utah game-fowl breeders, who, like most participants at Sierra Bonita, does not use the knives.



http://webhome.idirect.com/~boweevil/saltlake.htm

Yeah what ever, you dumb puss sucking cist in the colon of humanity…
You post evidence that the roosters enjoy the fight then claim that they are victims forced to fight in the face of video evidence that they are not forced to fight but will and do fight on their own.

Grace wrote:

And I believe you are responsible for your own emotional problems. We will never agree on this because for some reason you believe that other people are responsible for whatever derangements you have developed over the course of your life...even when those people have done nothing to you that could be rationally construed as having a real affect. It's as if my neighbor was demanding that I drink Coke because people who drink Pepsi upset him.

Well fuck him.





Nonsense. You only consider it a good thing up to the point that you would have to give up something you enjoy. At that point it becomes, "Fuck 'em...they're just chickens."

No, you must have me confused with cockfighters.

I never said they were forced to fight you dog dick sucking freak.

Never? you sure about that Gracie you slime dripping cunt

Yes I'm sure. How about you you dog ball slurping dingo-man?

You give new meaning to hotdog.

Are you sure that you don't mean in just this thread? And you did come awfully close by using the word “encouraging”?

Oh yeah quote that child raping Jamey Massy... now thats a good source... NOT

I see you posted a picture of your new boy friend. You sure are into bestiality but that’s not surprising

Well The child raper was wrong ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnfNAFPvHVc...feature=related

pops


Better chose your words more carefully....unless you can support it.

pops

Wrong about what? I'm not watching your fucking cockfight video, which frankly I'm so surprised you found since you said these videos are illegal in another thread. As usual, you make feeble sounds out of your ass.

I'm not surprised that you won't watch the video (Which the Supreme Court says is now legal and over turned the “crush law”); after all it shows that you and Jamey are wrong about cocks fighting. So your response is nothing more than you sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting LALALALALALA! I’m NOT LISTENING !!!! LALALALALALALALA!!! I’M NOT LISTENING!!!! More of your dishonesty

You forget Gracie I've been at this for a long time, and am acquainted with Jamey. Last I heard from him was when he was heading up the veal create law in Az.
Oh and Jamey knows that I can support it after all Gracie he was the one that was charged for the act in Az. then left the state for Oklahoma, went back to Az. all dejected because JP Goodwin got the nod from HSUS instead of him

Wrong about cocks fighting? It's too bad you can't make one single post/statement which clarifies or says SOMETHING of substance except neener fucking neener ring around the rosie. Has it occurred to you people hardly give you the time of day? You rarely have anything to say except drivel.

Can't find anything on Google?..

What ? You google LOL

there ya go gracie more fingers in the ears and and shouting LALALALALALA! I’m NOT LISTENING !!!! LALALALALALALALA!!! I’M NOT LISTENING!!!! More of your dishonesty
and you have yet to deal with the "Animal Welfare Dilemma of Broiler Breeder Aggressiveness
by Suzanne T. Millman, Ph.D." Ms Millman blows your theories on cockfighting not being natural out of the water.

When you going to support this? You spew nonsense and lies and just move on to your next drive by troll post. Can't support your claim of child raper either. Tsk tsk.


pops


Troll.

"this" stands alone and in so doing supports it's self... I don't need to support any claim of child rapper to you (unless that is you now claim to be Jamie Massey). Jamie Massey knows of the charges (they are about ten years old) and if he wishes to re-open that can of worms in a court of law, that can be arranged. I think the parents of the boy in question would love to see Jammie in court at last.
And yes Gracie you are a troll... ... not a very effectual one but a troll non the less

You still have yet to answer Ms Millman and her study"Animal Welfare Dilemma of Broiler Breeder Aggressiveness" that showes aggresiveness is common in all breeds of chicken.

Come to think of it, Jamie Massey and Barb both lived in Tucson and Barb claimed to know him well, I suspect that you may already know about his child rape case through your close association with Barb.

pops

You stand alone like a moldy cheese.

pops

A chapter right out of Trolls for Dummies.



Refer to the Entertainment Forum.


pops



Feeding time at the zoo is over.

Oh? Have you had enough now?

Easy enough to do since you both seem to abide by the same principles. It may only seem that way though, since- honestly- cockfighters show more regard, interest and concern for the birds they cause to be killed for their pleasure.

Grace


RF



That's a pretty broad statement. How would you even know? Still it doesn't say much since their interest and concern is vested - money oriented, nothing more. Once the bird is spent, he's left for dead, if not dead already. And they're onto their next investment. I don't own any chickens to care for by the way.

Cause to be killed… Hummm? Interesting choice of vernacular. That would however indicate (since chickens fight as a matter of nature) the belief of the writer that cockfighters are on an equal par with Nature and by extension (because the words may be used interchangeably in many cases) therefore equal to God. Interesting indeed... Grasie you need to thank Iowanick for his intersession with Steve and I, on your behalf...

Grace


pops


What the fuck are you talking about? What board are you on?

Why? Are you lost again?
I wouldn't doubt it, you call on long dead Authors as witnesses for your argument then when it's pointed out to you that what he said actually supported the other side you simply ignore what he had to say, then you call as an “expert witness”, someone that has never had anything to do with a chicken, to say that they won’t fight in nature. Then when his testimony is blown out of the water by Millman who is a Phd, you stick your fingers in your ears and shout “LALALALALALA…. I CAN T HEAR YOU! …. LALOALALALALAL!”

You have no way of knowing whether their interests and concerns are motivated by nothing but money. I can tell you that many of the cockfighters I knew were motivated by much more than that...and even those who weren't still displayed more interest and concern in the birds they caused to be killed than you do in the birds you cause to be killed.

Seems to me that would matter more to the actual chickens. I mean...what do they give a fuck about your angst?

Do they find themselves in a pit as "a matter of nature"? If you say no, then shut the fuck up because you're just spewing irrelevant fallacy.

If you say yes, then shut the fuck up anyway because your premise must be that everything is "a matter of nature" and you certainly aren't proving a specific contention with such a broad definition.

Now what the fuck you yammerin about Monkey boy?

RF


Grace



RF

Fair enough. We've both made blanket statements.


RF

And what would that be?


RF


Killing birds for food isn't in the same ballpark as killing birds for fun. Besides, I don't own any chickens to concern over.


RF

I disagree. The chickens are innocent and clueless.

I misread your comment above. Let me start again.

RF

So in essence you've said many of the cockfighters were motivated by much more than money and those who weren't motivated [by compassion or love for chickens TBA], displayed more interest and concern. Why? Because they were motivated by money!


RF

They certainly aren't aware of my angst, but angst is for their own good, because when felt by the masses it ultimately results in the cockfighting ban.

You and cockfighters both cause birds to be killed for your enjoyment. Seems like the same ballpark to me.

But when it comes to the angst many have about killing and eating chickens...well fuck 'em. They're worried about some damn chickens for chrissake.

They find themselves in a pit because you're exploiting their nature.

I prefer the transitive verb “utilize.”
Rather than it’s more coarse and common cousin “exploit”… Although everything in nature is exploited in some manor at some time or other, it is after all the nature of Nature to be utilized.... so your mindless fucking point then, would be what…

RF wrote:

That is only your attemt at the misrepresentation of the premise but then that is your nature monkey boy

Yes, but my enjoyment isn't wasteful, nor does it have anything to do with gambling on a fight for life. But ok, I will concede you have a point, but it's still not the same. Nope.

And my enjoyment isn't wasteful, doesn't matter if there is anything to do with gambling...

Dog, chicken fights net man seven years in prison

Lewis Barrentine, of Lakeland, was arrested in September 2006 after deputies searched his home on Gameland Drive in a remote part of the Green Swamp, reports the Lakeland Ledger.

Deputies found more than 150 chickens and 32 pit bulls, as well as 1.5 pounds of marijuana and some methamphetamine, according to the Polk County Sheriff's Office.

Last week, Barrentine went on trial and defended himself through much of the proceeding.

The jury deliberated for less than one hour before reaching their verdict: guilty of two counts of possessing animals or equipment for fighting; and guilty of possessing marijuana, methamphetamine and drug paraphernalia, and maintaining a structure for drugs.

On Wednesday he was sentenced to seven years in prison.

He'd better pray his cellmates aren't animals.

And not a cockfighter among um


UCF, Florida State Students Arrested In Drug Ring Bust
Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:35:11 PM

Reported by Amanda Evans and Janelle Jordan

SANFORD -- The people responsible for bringing millions of dollars worth of marijuana to Florida's college campuses are behind bars.
Police broke up a drug ring stretching from California, Mexico and six Central Florida counties -- Lake, Orange, Pinellas, Polk, Seminole and Volusia.
A dozen or so arrests were University of Central Florida and Florida State students who were selling and buying the pot.
Officers said this was a joint effort and they are glad to have it off the streets.
More than 300 officers dedicated the past 6 months to make that happen.
They started their investigation in Seminole County and quickly learned it was much bigger.
Officers said drug dealers were buying medical marijuana in California and bringing it back to Central Florida. They were selling it for $4,500 a pound, which was double what they bought it for.
They were also connected with a group out of Mexico.
This was an organized operation and every person involved knew their part.
Officers said David Cole was the ring's leader.
He was selling $90,000 worth of pot every week.
Six hundred pounds of marijuana are off the streets. But officers said this wasn't just about drugs. These crimes got violent.
"Some people look at it as just marijuana. But as the sheriff stated, we have three documented home invasions, armed home invasions where shots were fired," said Capt. Sam Gibson from the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office.
Officers said the drug dealers would all meet on some of Florida's college campuses.
Now with these arrests, they hope they've ended that and students can feel safe.

nope not a cockfighter amoung um

Largest drug bust ever in Tampa, Florida: 400 pounds of cocaine seized total 9 million dollars
April 23, 2:10 PMTampa Crime ExaminerCharisse Van HornPrevious


Five Arrested in Drug BustHillsborough County sheriffs arrested five people in what they are referring to as Hillsborough County’s largest drug bust. Seized was 400 pounds of cocaine, and 4 million dollars in cash. In total, 9 million dollars was seized

The five arrested are:

Nicolas Sandoval-Rivera
DOB 9-10-63

3225 Crutchfield Road, Lakeland

Charges: Trafficking in cocaine (400 grams to 150 kilos)

Conspiracy to traffic in cocaine

Juan Gonzalez

DOB 1-29-77

2907 Bloomingdale Avenue, Valrico

Charges: Trafficking in cocaine (400 grams to 150 kilos)

Conspiracy to traffic in cocaine


Victor Navarrete Delacruz

DOB 9-16-84

9410 Grandfield Road, B.

Thonotosassa

Charges: Trafficking in cocaine (400 grams to 150 kilos)

Conspiracy to traffic in cocaine


Irasema Moreno Rojas
DOB 11-24-82

10408 N. Central Avenue, Tampa

Charges: Trafficking in cocaine (400 grams to 150 kilos)

Trafficking in cocaine


Manuel Lopez Ricardo

DOB 10-24-65

4703 Coronet Road, Plant City

Charges: Trafficking in cocaine (400 grams to 150 kilos)

Conspiracy to traffic in cocaine



The drug bust was a co effort of the Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office, the Tampa Police Department, and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agents. The suspects were running a cocaine smuggling operation that received between three and five shipments of cocaine per week. It is believed that the cocaine shipments were smuggled in spare tires that were transported by car carrier trucks. A car carrier truck was used to transport profits to Texas, the money was hidden in cars.

Detectives, who were performing surveillance, spotted a utility service truck on April 21, 2009. The utility truck was believed to be the truck used to transport the cocaine to a stash house. When the utility truck was surveyed it had four large semi tires. One of those arrested, Ricardo Lopez was spotted following the utility truck. Detectives suspected that the cocaine shipment was being to delivered to Juan Gonzalez’s address located at: 2907 Bloomingdale Avenue, Valrico.

By April 22, 2009, deputies had a home at 3938 Highway 60 under surveillance. Detectives believe that this home was being used as a stash house. At one point, detectives saw suspect Victor De La Cruz step outside of the home and look through binoculars. De La Cruz then returned into the house retrieving a large duffle bag that he placed in his truck. He repeated the actions, for a total of two duffel bags.

Knowing it was time to make their move, deputies conducted a traffic stop and obtained consent to search the truck. The duffle bags contained 1.6 million U.S. dollars. A search warrant was granted and served at the Lopez residence located at 3938 Highway 60, Plant City. The search warrant discovered:

1 currency counting machine
1 handgun
2 SKS assault rifles
2 million dollars in U.S. currency
2 vehicles valued at 50,000
After these items were discovered at the Plant City location, detectives conducted a consent search at the 2907 Bloomingdale Ave location. The following items were located at this search:

$350,000 in U.S. currency
179 kilograms of cocaine (the cocaine had been buried in an underground storage container)
a 2005 Chrysler valued at $30,000
Following these two significant discoveries, another search was conducted at the residence of 4703 Coronet Road. Located at this home was:

3 SKS assault rifles
1 revolver
170 grams of cocaine
$35,000 in U.S. currency

My comp is screwed up so I haven't read every post. BUT grace, how do you explain me having fought roosters since the age of 12 and never doing any illegal drugs? What about my brother who is the same. Or several of our friends who are also the same.
Lawrence Taylor just got popped again for some illegal stuff. Should we ban football? I mean after all people get hurt and there are definitely drugs involved.
Wanna hear some bullshit hypocracy. A local guy who has a few roosters( not what I would call a cocker, more of a dabbler) got hooked on prescription meds and bought some illegally. He got busted and sentenced to a couple months in jail. The prosecuting attorney told his wife that the roosters had to go because the roosters and drugs go hand in hand. I have personally been to fights with the prosecutor.