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XBlackX
The European Parliament voted overwhelmingly today to ban seal product imports. Our long struggle to achieve this goal is over and it has ended in a great victory for civilized morality and ecological responsibility over barbaric greed, cruelty, and waste.

The Canadian government has already threatened to challenge the legislation, expected to take effect in the first half of 2010, at the World Trade Organization. They will fail, and if they have any sense of responsibility to the majority of Canadians who do not support sealing they will desist from trying to threaten a 25 billion dollar trade agreement with the European Union.

The results of the vote in Strasbourg were overwhelming: 550 votes for the ban and only a mere 49 against it. The European Bill to ban seal products passed with 92% support from the European parliamentarians.

"Hopefully this will give the government of Canada the message that they need to join the 21st Century," said Captain Paul Watson. "This kind of barbarity has absolutely no place in our world today."

This is the single greatest blow ever struck against the sealing industry and it will bring the industry to its knees.

The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society however will continue efforts to mop-up the remaining markets. Russia is our next target and with the abolishment of the Russian seal hunt and the declaration by Vladimir Putin that it is a "bloody cruel industry", we should be able to convince Russia to ban seal products also. This leaves only China and Japan and both those nations follow European fashion trends. With seal fur out of fashion in Europe it will be out of fashion in Asia soon also. This will leave only the market for baby seal penis tea that Canada has been trying to sell to China as some snake-oil remedy for impotence.

The Canadian government may attempt to prop up the sealing industry with millions of taxpayer dollars, but it makes little economic sense to continue such foolishness. Even the stubborn arrogance of politicians has a limit to what the public will tolerate from them.

Canadian politicians keep parroting the nonsense that sealing is an important and viable industry although at its height it has never brought in more than $20 million dollars. This year the government states that the slaughter will be worth $13 million dollars. It is a mystery as to how they arrived at that figure.

What did the sealing industry bring into the economy this year?

Let's do the math.

This year they took 59,500 seal pelts from a quota of 280,000. The pelts are now only worth $14. In total that is $833,000, a far cry from $13 million. (And this is Canadian money by the way, worth .84 U.S.).

This $833,000 is before the sealers lay out cash for fuel, provisions, boat repairs, insurance and equipment. This overhead is about 50% so this means that the hunt has netted a mere $416,500.

There are 6,000 licensed sealers. Split the net profits and it comes out to about $69.00 per sealer. Extended over the sealing season this works out to around $0.03 cents per hour.

And this is what Canada is losing $50 million a year in lost seafood sales over. This is the "mega-industry" that Canada is threatening to derail a 25 billion dollar trade agreement with. This is the kind of economic insanity that illustrates the complete financial incompetence of the Stephen Harper government in Canada.

The sealers are whining and bleating loudly.

"It's a black day for Atlantic Canada for this ban to go ahead," said Robert Courtney, president of the North of Smokey Fishermen's Association in Nova Scotia. "It's really going to have an impact because it's not just sealers who will be affected but fishermen, too. We didn't think they would do it."

The fishermen are screaming that the seals are eating all their fish yet the science has demonstrated that the shortage of fish has nothing to do with the seals and everything to do with human over-fishing operations. Five hundred years ago when there were 45 million seals including the now extirpated walrus. Now with only 10% of the original seal populations left, the fishermen continue to blame the seals, and the politicians who all suffer from serious homopecheaphobia (political fear of fishermen) do what the fishermen demand of them.

Courtney said the ban was voted upon based on inaccurate information from animal rights activists.

"They based their opinion on a 10-second clip. The activists provoked us, did everything in their power to get that clip," he said. "We've changed our regulations to make things more humane, but there is nothing we can do when the one purpose of the activists is to try to stop this seal hunt."

This statement of course is an insult to the intelligence of the European Parliamentarians many of whom did something Canadian politicians have not done - they went to the ice to see for themselves and what they saw appalled them.

In addition, the Canadian government did everything they could to prevent the documentation of cruelty on the ice by making it a crime to witness or document the slaughter of seals without government approval.

"The European Parliamentarians have been under pressure and blackmail for years, not just recently," Liberal Senator Celine Hervieux-Payette said Tuesday. "This was aggressive marketing by people who are mainly vegetarian. It has nothing to do with seals."

Hervieux-Payette has never seen the seal slaughter herself and her ignorance is revealed when she states that the opposition is mainly vegetarian. The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is a marine conservation organization and people who eat meat and condemn the seal hunt would never condone the inhumane slaughter tactics practiced on the ice in any abattoir in the world.

Seal hunt defenders have three worn and tired arguments, none of which carry any credibility. They state that only extremist animal rights people oppose the slaughter. They say that the slaughter is well regulated and humane. They claim that the slaughter is an economic necessity and they claim that the opponents of the seal slaughter do it for the money.

The European Parliament has rejected all of these claims, and the hunt defenders should be happy because no one will be raising funds to defend seals if they don't need defending.

"Our business has always been to put ourselves out business," said Captain Paul Watson, "and I will be overjoyed to be out of the business of saving seals and I am even more overjoyed that the sealers will be out of the murder business."

Captain Watson has opposed the seal slaughter since he was a boy of 10. He was raised in an East Coast Canadian fishing village.

"I saw a baby seal killed when I was 10 and the pleading frightened look in the eye of that pup has haunted me ever since and because of that look, I have spent a lifetime fighting this obscenity," he said.

"We are pleased that the European Parliament has responded to the concerns of their citizens, and did not give in to the emotional campaign of rhetoric and misinformation spread across Europe by the government of Canada," Sheryl Fink of IFAW said. "Unfortunately for Canadian taxpayers, our government's irrational support for slaughtering seals has become a matter of personal pride for a number of politicians. This is an emotional, knee-jerk reaction, not one that is socially or economically responsible."

Last week, Canadian Senator Mac Harb called on the government to provide an alternate industry and retraining for sealers in Atlantic Canada.

"It is a shame that the Canadian government has not yet taken the necessary steps to help transition the fishers involved in the commercial seal hunt into new and more viable industries," he said.

Senator Harb met with Sea Shepherd Director Alex Earl in Vancouver last week to receive 38,000 petition postcards from LUSH cosmetics. Senator Harb will deliver the petition cards to the Prime Minister personally.

Senator Mac Harb is the only Canadian politician with the courage to speak out against the slaughter of the seals.

After decades of effort, voyages into the ice, confrontations, beatings, arrests, jailings, fines, threats, meetings, presentations, writings, and protests - the entire anti-sealing movement can now enjoy the fruits of all our labors.

We have done it.

We have destroyed the most obscene and cruel market of suffering and death on this planet.

Thank-you Europe.

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-090505-1.html
iowanic
Nothing like a article without a noticable slant.

XXMag
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 19 2009, 06:47 PM) *
Nothing like a article without a noticable slant.


When I was in college, I had an apartment in Richmond with an obvious slant... And I still paid more per hour for it than for an hour encounter with xblack.
XBlackX
STRASBOURG, France — The European Parliament voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to ban imports of seal products, including fur coats and even some omega-3 pills, in an effort to force Canada to end its annual seal hunt, the world's largest.

The Canadian government reacted sharply to the move, with Trade Minister Stockwell Day promising that Ottawa will challenge the ban and take the 27-nation bloc to the world trade body if the new law does not exempt Canada.

The strain in relations came on the eve of a key summit between Canada and the European Union in Prague where they are expected to launch negotiations on a wide-ranging free trade agreement.

The European Parliament voted to endorse a bill that said commercial seal hunting, notably in Canada, is "inherently inhumane." EU governments still need to back the law, but officials called that a formality and said the ban is expected to take effect in October.

The EU ban will apply to all products and processed goods derived from seals, including their skins _ which are used to make fur coats, bags and adorn clothing _ as well as meat, oil blubber, organs and seal oil, which is used in some omega-3 pills.

Animal rights activists, Inuit seal hunters, fur traders and authorities from Canada and Greenland lobbied hard ahead of the vote. Activists call the hunt barbaric, while the others said it provided crucial jobs and food for villagers in isolated northern communities.

Canada's East Coast seal hunt is the largest in the world, killing an average of 300,000 harp seals annually. The EU bill targeted the Canadian hunt because of the size of the annual slaughter and the way seals are killed _ either clubbed or shot with rifles. In the past, they have also been killed with spiked clubs, or hakapiks.

Gail Shea, the Canadian minister of fisheries, called the EU parliament's decision biased and insisted that Canada's hunt was "guided by rigorous animal welfare principles."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/e...e_n_196637.html

Just another slant for you, so seal hunting is not wanted in the civilised world.
iowanic
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.





Grace
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.
XBlackX
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 11:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



I think you will find that the vast majority of people do not like the practise of slaughtering thousands of seal by Canadian "fishermen" each year, the vote was 550 to 49 but I thought you would be screaming badly done to for the Inuits...
RF
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 06:14 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 11:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



I think you will find that the vast majority of people do not like the practise of slaughtering thousands of seal by Canadian "fishermen" each year, the vote was 550 to 49 but I thought you would be screaming badly done to for the Inuits...


Grace can inform you that your argument is fallacious.

What prompts your support of the ban other than your personal desire to feel good about it?
OHIOSTEVE
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.
Grace
Why is it whenever bans are passed re: animal cruelty fingers point to 'feel gooders'? Is this just specific to animal laws or all laws passed? What about treaties? Trade agreements? Abortion laws? It's all about feelin good?
RF
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 09:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.


Talking Europe here, Steve. The liklihood of them minding their own business is miniscule.

However, I would say that the aspect of control drives the ban moreso than feel-goodism. Feel-goodism is for the useful/useless idiots who enable the control.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 09:14 AM) *
Why is it whenever bans are passed re: animal cruelty fingers point to 'feel gooders'? Is this just specific to animal laws or all laws passed? What about treaties? Trade agreements? Abortion laws? It's all about feelin good?


To get to the heart of the matter, it's to benefit somebody at the expense of someone else.
Grace
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091

Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:17 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 09:14 AM) *
Why is it whenever bans are passed re: animal cruelty fingers point to 'feel gooders'? Is this just specific to animal laws or all laws passed? What about treaties? Trade agreements? Abortion laws? It's all about feelin good?


To get to the heart of the matter, it's to benefit somebody at the expense of someone else.



Or, you can't please everyone everytime. That's life.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:17 AM) *
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091


I don't see anything in your article that suggests there isn't a market.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:18 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:17 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 09:14 AM) *
Why is it whenever bans are passed re: animal cruelty fingers point to 'feel gooders'? Is this just specific to animal laws or all laws passed? What about treaties? Trade agreements? Abortion laws? It's all about feelin good?


To get to the heart of the matter, it's to benefit somebody at the expense of someone else.



Or, you can't please everyone everytime. That's life.


Neither can you fool everyone, everytime. Also life.
Grace
Those damn anti-abortionists. It's all about feelin good. They should mind their own fucking business!
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:23 AM) *
Those damn anti-abortionists. It's all about feelin good. They should mind their own fucking business!


Except there is another component to that argument that is maybe too subtle for some...
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:23 AM) *
Those damn anti-abortionists. It's all about feelin good. They should mind their own fucking business!


Except there is another component to that argument that is maybe too subtle for some...



I'm waiting..
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 09:32 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:23 AM) *
Those damn anti-abortionists. It's all about feelin good. They should mind their own fucking business!


Except there is another component to that argument that is maybe too subtle for some...



I'm waiting..


And you don't know what you're waiting for?
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:33 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 09:32 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:23 AM) *
Those damn anti-abortionists. It's all about feelin good. They should mind their own fucking business!


Except there is another component to that argument that is maybe too subtle for some...



I'm waiting..


And you don't know what you're waiting for?



Nope.
XBlackX
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:17 AM) *
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091


I don't see anything in your article that suggests there isn't a market.



No market in the EU any more that's for sure icon_wink.gif
RF
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:36 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:17 AM) *
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091


I don't see anything in your article that suggests there isn't a market.



No market in the EU any more that's for sure icon_wink.gif


I doubt it is "for sure" at all.

I would grant there is no state approved market. That much is obvious.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:41 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:33 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 09:32 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 11:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:23 AM) *
Those damn anti-abortionists. It's all about feelin good. They should mind their own fucking business!


Except there is another component to that argument that is maybe too subtle for some...



I'm waiting..


And you don't know what you're waiting for?



Nope.


Then I suppose it's too subtle for you.
XBlackX
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 04:10 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.


It is politicians doing what they are suppose to do and that's represent the very people who elected them. Now there is no market for seal fur over this side of the pond, yes it makes me feel good icon_smile.gif
XBlackX
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:36 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:17 AM) *
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091


I don't see anything in your article that suggests there isn't a market.



No market in the EU any more that's for sure icon_wink.gif


I doubt it is "for sure" at all.

I would grant there is no state approved market. That much is obvious.


Now, now RF you know they wouldn't have got away with it if that was true, money talks. No seal products over this side all the same icon_smile.gif
RF
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:59 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:36 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:17 AM) *
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091


I don't see anything in your article that suggests there isn't a market.



No market in the EU any more that's for sure icon_wink.gif


I doubt it is "for sure" at all.

I would grant there is no state approved market. That much is obvious.


Now, now RF you know they wouldn't have got away with it if that was true, money talks. No seal products over this side all the same icon_smile.gif


I don't know that at all.

There are huge sums involved in the recreational drug market, yet that market is not state approved.

"No market" is simply not synonomous with "small market" or "non-state approved market".
RF
Like I said in the other thread and to which some seemingly have no reply....

Either you believe in coercing and deliberately harming others for your own benefit or you don't.
XBlackX
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 06:03 PM) *
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:59 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:36 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:17 AM) *
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091


I don't see anything in your article that suggests there isn't a market.



No market in the EU any more that's for sure icon_wink.gif


I doubt it is "for sure" at all.

I would grant there is no state approved market. That much is obvious.


Now, now RF you know they wouldn't have got away with it if that was true, money talks. No seal products over this side all the same icon_smile.gif


I don't know that at all.

There are huge sums involved in the recreational drug market, yet that market is not state approved.

"No market" is simply not synonomous with "small market" or "non-state approved market".



Well we can go on splitting hairs if you want but the market is now dead over here icon_wink.gif
XBlackX
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 06:05 PM) *
Like I said in the other thread and to which some seemingly have no reply....

Either you believe in coercing and deliberately harming others for your own benefit or you don't.


Well I'm all for the benefit of others and others in my book includes animals. I don't agree with your slant on social movements however.
RF
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 10:11 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 06:03 PM) *
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:59 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 05:51 PM) *
QUOTE (XBlackX @ Dec 24 2009, 09:36 AM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Dec 24 2009, 04:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:17 AM) *
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Dec 24 2009, 11:10 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Dec 24 2009, 08:12 AM) *
QUOTE (iowanic @ Dec 24 2009, 06:42 AM) *
If nothing else, it gives the eurpeoan union something to feel good about. Which is what I suspect was the main drive therein.



You're like a broken record with that feel good shit. Trouble is, it makes little sense when applied to ARA's as a blanket statement and makes absolutely no sense when applied here. I suppose it's a handy (albeit lame) argument to grasp when you have nothing else with any basis.

Actually I would wager he is right.." LOOK AT US...SEE HOW CIVILIZED AND ENLIGHTENED WE ARE" .....bullshit. If there is a market for the products then sell em. I don't the government sticking its nose in, I mean on an individual basis. If people are willing to buy em and pay the price then shut the fuck up and mind your own business.




And if there isn't a market?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267091


I don't see anything in your article that suggests there isn't a market.



No market in the EU any more that's for sure icon_wink.gif


I doubt it is "for sure" at all.

I would grant there is no state approved market. That much is obvious.


Now, now RF you know they wouldn't have got away with it if that was true, money talks. No seal products over this side all the same icon_smile.gif


I don't know that at all.

There are huge sums involved in the recreational drug market, yet that market is not state approved.

"No market" is simply not synonomous with "small market" or "non-state approved market".



Well we can go on splitting hairs if you want but the market is now dead over here icon_wink.gif


So you bray...er...say.

But the fact remains that nominally banning a market doesn't have a history of making that market disappear.
Frankie
i wonder how this might effect the fish population , in the years to come ??
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