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Frankie
GRACE >>>> warning on this site there are deer being run down by a guy in a truck that he set up just to kill deer with .
DO NOT watch the videos .

he's got to breaking some laws !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://deergonewild.com/index.cfm?action=home

RF
I don't see what he does as wrong and I don't see how it could be illegal.

Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain. Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life... not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work. Several motorcyclists have been killed by -- you guessed it -- "deer." Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.
Frankie
i'm pretty sure he breaking some traffic laws . reckless driving , disorderly conduct with auto , may be reckless endangerment .

i'll bet game laws too .

Frankie
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 01:02 AM) *
I don't see what he does as wrong and I don't see how it could be illegal.

Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain. Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life... not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work. Several motorcyclists have been killed by -- you guessed it -- "deer." Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.



now if he wants to play "what if" . what if one of the deer he hits kills a woman and two kids that are walking down the road because her car broke down . he's doing nothing more than trying to justify what he is doing with " what if's"
RF
QUOTE (Frankie @ Oct 6 2009, 10:31 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 01:02 AM) *
I don't see what he does as wrong and I don't see how it could be illegal.

Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain. Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life... not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work. Several motorcyclists have been killed by -- you guessed it -- "deer." Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.



now if he wants to play "what if" . what if one of the deer he hits kills a woman and two kids that are walking down the road because her car broke down . he's doing nothing more than trying to justify what he is doing with " what if's"


Far as I'm concerned, he doesn't need to justify himself. And it doesn't seem he is trying to justify himself or his actions by his statement above. It's indisputable that deer are a menace on the highway and every deer he kills is one less potential hazard.
RF
QUOTE (Frankie @ Oct 6 2009, 10:27 PM) *
i'm pretty sure he breaking some traffic laws . reckless driving , disorderly conduct with auto , may be reckless endangerment .

i'll bet game laws too .


It's reckless to drive a vehicle that is safer in a deer collision than most other vehicles are?

Here I think the game laws allow you to keep a deer you hit with your vehicle.
Grace
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.
Grace
Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain.

I'd wager most would look down. Some might agree with it.



Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life...

Could have? Ok so what about the other 299? What's their story?




not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work.

Hopefully yours will be erected tomorrow following.
Grace
I hopefully took care of this guy. Enough said.
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 03:08 AM) *
QUOTE (Frankie @ Oct 6 2009, 10:31 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 01:02 AM) *
I don't see what he does as wrong and I don't see how it could be illegal.

Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain. Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life... not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work. Several motorcyclists have been killed by -- you guessed it -- "deer." Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.



now if he wants to play "what if" . what if one of the deer he hits kills a woman and two kids that are walking down the road because her car broke down . he's doing nothing more than trying to justify what he is doing with " what if's"


Far as I'm concerned, he doesn't need to justify himself. And it doesn't seem he is trying to justify himself or his actions by his statement above. It's indisputable that deer are a menace on the highway and every deer he kills is one less potential hazard.



It's indisputable that people driving cars are a menace on the highway, so should we kill everyone to minimize the hazards?


RF
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Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life...

Could have? Ok so what about the other 299? What's their story?


299 innocent deer out-weigh 1 innocent person? Is that your story?
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 12:44 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 03:08 AM) *
QUOTE (Frankie @ Oct 6 2009, 10:31 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 01:02 AM) *
I don't see what he does as wrong and I don't see how it could be illegal.

Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain. Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life... not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work. Several motorcyclists have been killed by -- you guessed it -- "deer." Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.



now if he wants to play "what if" . what if one of the deer he hits kills a woman and two kids that are walking down the road because her car broke down . he's doing nothing more than trying to justify what he is doing with " what if's"


Far as I'm concerned, he doesn't need to justify himself. And it doesn't seem he is trying to justify himself or his actions by his statement above. It's indisputable that deer are a menace on the highway and every deer he kills is one less potential hazard.



It's indisputable that people driving cars are a menace on the highway, so should we kill everyone to minimize the hazards?


Why do you continue to argue that an animal life is equivalent to a person's life when you don't believe that nonsense yourself?
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 12:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I'll rant from a position of ignorance anyway.


Fixed that for ya'.
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 05:22 PM) *
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Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life...

Could have? Ok so what about the other 299? What's their story?


299 innocent deer out-weigh 1 innocent person? Is that your story?



He made an excuse for ONE of those roughly 300 deer he killed maybe causing an accident. So why'd he kill another 299? Makes no sense to even kill one with this stupid theory.
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 05:23 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 12:44 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 03:08 AM) *
QUOTE (Frankie @ Oct 6 2009, 10:31 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 01:02 AM) *
I don't see what he does as wrong and I don't see how it could be illegal.

Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain. Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life... not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work. Several motorcyclists have been killed by -- you guessed it -- "deer." Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.



now if he wants to play "what if" . what if one of the deer he hits kills a woman and two kids that are walking down the road because her car broke down . he's doing nothing more than trying to justify what he is doing with " what if's"


Far as I'm concerned, he doesn't need to justify himself. And it doesn't seem he is trying to justify himself or his actions by his statement above. It's indisputable that deer are a menace on the highway and every deer he kills is one less potential hazard.



It's indisputable that people driving cars are a menace on the highway, so should we kill everyone to minimize the hazards?


Why do you continue to argue that an animal life is equivalent to a person's life when you don't believe that nonsense yourself?



Let's talk about his argument. Do you believe his theory? Or is it irrelavant because it's his business and no one else's?
Grace
Grace
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I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) since it's pretty clear from your posts and description what's happening in the video.


RF
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Fixed that for ya'.


Thank you.

RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 03:08 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 05:22 PM) *
QUOTE
Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life...

Could have? Ok so what about the other 299? What's their story?


299 innocent deer out-weigh 1 innocent person? Is that your story?



He made an excuse for ONE of those roughly 300 deer he killed maybe causing an accident. So why'd he kill another 299? Makes no sense to even kill one with this stupid theory.


How would he have known which was the one?

Better to kill them all and be safe than to let any slip by and be sorry, sez me.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 03:12 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 05:23 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 12:44 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 03:08 AM) *
QUOTE (Frankie @ Oct 6 2009, 10:31 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 01:02 AM) *
I don't see what he does as wrong and I don't see how it could be illegal.

Some people will look down on this truck and me like a villain. Just take a second and think about it like this... Lets just say one of the roughly 300 deer I’ve hit, one or more could have come through somebody's windshield and take a innocent person's life... not to mention all the crosses I drive by everyday on the way to work. Several motorcyclists have been killed by -- you guessed it -- "deer." Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.



now if he wants to play "what if" . what if one of the deer he hits kills a woman and two kids that are walking down the road because her car broke down . he's doing nothing more than trying to justify what he is doing with " what if's"


Far as I'm concerned, he doesn't need to justify himself. And it doesn't seem he is trying to justify himself or his actions by his statement above. It's indisputable that deer are a menace on the highway and every deer he kills is one less potential hazard.



It's indisputable that people driving cars are a menace on the highway, so should we kill everyone to minimize the hazards?


Why do you continue to argue that an animal life is equivalent to a person's life when you don't believe that nonsense yourself?



Let's talk about his argument. Do you believe his theory? Or is it irrelavant because it's his business and no one else's?


Like I said, it didn't appear he was trying to justify himself by that argument; yet it is indisputable that his argument is valid.
RF
Put it this way....when they set out to poison rats at a grain elevator, they don't try to distinguish just which rat is most likely to shit in the cornflakes.
Grace
Grace
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He made an excuse for ONE of those roughly 300 deer he killed maybe causing an accident. So why'd he kill another 299? Makes no sense to even kill one with this stupid theory.


RF
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How would he have known which was the one?


Exactly. Case closed.


RF
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Better to kill them all and be safe than to let any slip by and be sorry, sez me.


Well, that's all well and good, but what if 301 crossed after he left to wash the blood and gore off his grill and BAM, soccer mom and 2 kids DOA.
Grace
RF
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Like I said, it didn't appear he was trying to justify himself by that argument; yet it is indisputable that his argument is valid.



How you figure he wasn't trying to justify?
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 02:22 PM) *
Grace
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He made an excuse for ONE of those roughly 300 deer he killed maybe causing an accident. So why'd he kill another 299? Makes no sense to even kill one with this stupid theory.


RF
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How would he have known which was the one?


Exactly. Case closed.


RF
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Better to kill them all and be safe than to let any slip by and be sorry, sez me.


Well, that's all well and good, but what if 301 crossed after he left to wash the blood and gore off his grill and BAM, soccer mom and 2 kids DOA.


I bet you aren't much of a poker player.

Pocket aces aren't always a winning hand, yet the probability of them being so demand that I bet them.
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 06:21 PM) *
Put it this way....when they set out to poison rats at a grain elevator, they don't try to distinguish just which rat is most likely to shit in the cornflakes.



Yeah but the poison doesn't grow wheels and drive away.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 02:24 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 06:21 PM) *
Put it this way....when they set out to poison rats at a grain elevator, they don't try to distinguish just which rat is most likely to shit in the cornflakes.



Yeah but the poison doesn't grow wheels and drive away.


Uh....yeah.

wtf.gif
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 02:23 PM) *
RF
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Like I said, it didn't appear he was trying to justify himself by that argument; yet it is indisputable that his argument is valid.



How you figure he wasn't trying to justify?


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Don’t get me wrong, I’m not out for a Governor’s Life Saver award. But it does give you something to think about.


I read that as he is just proposing an intellectual exercise.
RF
So anyway, it's wrong to kill deer using a machine because.....?
RF
Is it wrong because his machine is designed to be efficient at killing deer?
RF
Or is it because in using his machine, he minimizes the chances of himself being injured in the process of killing deer?
RF
Or is the wrongness of his activity based on the idea that he exploits certain habits of the deer?
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 06:25 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 02:24 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 06:21 PM) *
Put it this way....when they set out to poison rats at a grain elevator, they don't try to distinguish just which rat is most likely to shit in the cornflakes.



Yeah but the poison doesn't grow wheels and drive away.


Uh....yeah.

wtf.gif



LOL. The poison will sit there and sit there and rats will free feed and die. Today, tomorrow, next week. This guy kills 300 deer thinking 1 of them might cause the death of a driver. Then he drives away. Get it?
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 06:27 PM) *
So anyway, it's wrong to kill deer using a machine because.....?



It's unethical. And by the way, since I didn't watch the video, what's he do with all that meat?
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 06:29 PM) *
Is it wrong because his machine is designed to be efficient at killing deer?



Since I didn't watch the video, how was his machine altered to efficiently kill deer?
Grace
RF
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I bet you aren't much of a poker player.Pocket aces aren't always a winning hand, yet the probability of them being so demand that I bet them.


And you always win...
Grace
So anyway, it's wrong to kill deer using a machine because.....?

Is it wrong because his machine is designed to be efficient at killing deer?

Or is it because in using his machine, he minimizes the chances of himself being injured in the process of killing deer?

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Mr. Editor in chief, you couldn't put those 3 fucking questions in one post? icon_wink.gif


It's wrong to purposely kill a deer with a vehicle. I don't think even Frankie approves of that. It's unsportsmanlike, unethical, cruel, inhumane, a waste of life (what does he do with the carcass?). Why is it RIGHT?

Question 2, not applicable. Doesn't matter if he had a rocket on the front. It's twisted and I think he's got some screws loose.

Not sure what you mean by 3, since I DIDN'T WATCH THE VIDEO.
Grace
Aren't you curious how I [hopefully] took care of this guy?
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 03:47 PM) *
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 06:27 PM) *
So anyway, it's wrong to kill deer using a machine because.....?



It's unethical. And by the way, since I didn't watch the video, what's he do with all that meat?


No, it isn't unethical. See? My opinion on the ethics of killing deer with machines is as valid as yours.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 03:49 PM) *
RF
QUOTE
I bet you aren't much of a poker player.Pocket aces aren't always a winning hand, yet the probability of them being so demand that I bet them.


And you always win...


Not at poker. icon_tongue.gif
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 03:50 PM) *
So anyway, it's wrong to kill deer using a machine because.....?

Is it wrong because his machine is designed to be efficient at killing deer?

Or is it because in using his machine, he minimizes the chances of himself being injured in the process of killing deer?

--------------------



Mr. Editor in chief, you couldn't put those 3 fucking questions in one post? icon_wink.gif


It's wrong to purposely kill a deer with a vehicle. I don't think even Frankie approves of that. It's unsportsmanlike, unethical, cruel, inhumane, a waste of life (what does he do with the carcass?). Why is it RIGHT?


All those are just other ways of saying it's wrong to deliberately kill a deer with a vehicle and none of them would find you maintaining any consistency upon being questioned further.

You've said nothing to actually make the point that it's wrong.
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 03:37 PM) *
Aren't you curious how I [hopefully] took care of this guy?


You meant you literally did something?

If that's the case, I probably don't want to know. I like you, but I have a low tolerance for certain things.
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Oct 7 2009, 08:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 03:37 PM) *
Aren't you curious how I [hopefully] took care of this guy?


You meant you literally did something?

If that's the case, I probably don't want to know. I like you, but I have a low tolerance for certain things.



I won't say then.
Grace
I'll be back later.
rpedog
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 01:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.


At least he kills them quickly. You want him tortured because he does something you don't approve of. You're no different than he is.
OHIOSTEVE
QUOTE (rpedog @ Oct 7 2009, 09:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 01:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.


At least he kills them quickly. You want him tortured because he does something you don't approve of. You're no different than he is.

Good catch... This guy is killing deer to keep them from killing people ....grace hates him for it and wants him killed to keep him from killing deer.......I know a guy who does this......not for a safety factor but to eat the deer.
Grace
QUOTE (rpedog @ Oct 7 2009, 10:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 01:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.


At least he kills them quickly. You want him tortured because he does something you don't approve of. You're no different than he is.



And how is he like me if he kills them quickly, yet I want him tortured? Why is what he's doing ethical? Because it MIGHT save a human life? What utter and complete bullshit. Maybe he should kill 2000 deer just to be safe. 5000. 10,000. Why stop there. Kill them ALL with his truck to spare human lives as long as he can afford the fucking gas.
Grace
QUOTE (OHIOSTEVE @ Oct 8 2009, 12:10 AM) *
QUOTE (rpedog @ Oct 7 2009, 09:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 01:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.


At least he kills them quickly. You want him tortured because he does something you don't approve of. You're no different than he is.

Good catch... This guy is killing deer to keep them from killing people ....grace hates him for it and wants him killed to keep him from killing deer.......I know a guy who does this......not for a safety factor but to eat the deer.



More fucking idiocy. You all need your heads checked. The guy will be arrested soon....
RF
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 8 2009, 05:26 AM) *
QUOTE (rpedog @ Oct 7 2009, 10:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 01:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.


At least he kills them quickly. You want him tortured because he does something you don't approve of. You're no different than he is.



And how is he like me if he kills them quickly, yet I want him tortured? Why is what he's doing ethical? Because it MIGHT save a human life? What utter and complete bullshit. Maybe he should kill 2000 deer just to be safe. 5000. 10,000. Why stop there. Kill them ALL with his truck to spare human lives as long as he can afford the fucking gas.


I would send him a few bucks so he can get a few more bucks, come to that.

It isn't unethical to eradicate vermin. Deer are lucky in that they are useful in addition to being vermin....but they are vermin nonetheless. There is no "might" save human life component to killing deer. The link is causal and definite.
Grace
RF
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I would send him a few bucks so he can get a few more bucks, come to that.


Well I wouldn't send him any doe.



RF
QUOTE
It isn't unethical to eradicate vermin. Deer are lucky in that they are useful in addition to being vermin....but they are vermin nonetheless. There is no "might" save human life component to killing deer. The link is causal and definite.



In RFwiki-d book you mean.
rpedog
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 8 2009, 07:26 AM) *
QUOTE (rpedog @ Oct 7 2009, 10:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 01:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.


At least he kills them quickly. You want him tortured because he does something you don't approve of. You're no different than he is.



And how is he like me if he kills them quickly, yet I want him tortured? Why is what he's doing ethical? Because it MIGHT save a human life? What utter and complete bullshit. Maybe he should kill 2000 deer just to be safe. 5000. 10,000. Why stop there. Kill them ALL with his truck to spare human lives as long as he can afford the fucking gas.


Utter and complete bullshit is you thinking its okay to want him tortured for doing something you "feel" isn't right.

Grace
Some normal people out there thank god. Looks like he might be done. Too bad as I was hoping he'd get crushed under his truck before getting caught.

Same subject:

http://www.deerhuntingchat.com/viewtopic.php?p=38031
Grace
QUOTE (rpedog @ Oct 8 2009, 11:09 AM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 8 2009, 07:26 AM) *
QUOTE (rpedog @ Oct 7 2009, 10:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Grace @ Oct 7 2009, 01:17 PM) *
I haven't watched (thanks for warning Frankie) but I hope next deer he aims for he misses, hits a pole, flips his truck 7 times and breaking every bone in his body, with his neck last. Posting something like this on the internet, hopefully will get arrested soon.


At least he kills them quickly. You want him tortured because he does something you don't approve of. You're no different than he is.



And how is he like me if he kills them quickly, yet I want him tortured? Why is what he's doing ethical? Because it MIGHT save a human life? What utter and complete bullshit. Maybe he should kill 2000 deer just to be safe. 5000. 10,000. Why stop there. Kill them ALL with his truck to spare human lives as long as he can afford the fucking gas.


Utter and complete bullshit is you thinking its okay to want him tortured for doing something you "feel" isn't right.



You're mental.
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