That's three beagles that got it all wrong I suppose?

Maybe they weren't hungry.
Cats, afterall will play with mice.....right up till they start eatting them.

staged pics......so what?

Yes we can all see that, it pisses on your fire. These beagles are as much interested in killing these cats as that russell was struggling.

You know X its funny. What you don't know would fill a book but you just can't stop your mouth from running on anyway. NO ONE here has said that there aren't worthless pieces of shit beagles.

yep hunting instinct

Oh so its shit dogs when they dont and instinct when the do? More like dogs that are trained to hunt and dogs that aren't'.

Heh, try that with siberian huskies.

got it backwards pedro...dogs that are trained to NOT kill cats and dogs doing what comes naturally to them.

That's funny, never trained the dogs but you bring your pups on with fully fledged terriers, training

Oh now it's huskies....

and where do these fully fledged terriers come from? And there is a far far cry between training and exposure. And how did I train my FIRST terrier when I had no othrs and knew no one who had any? See the more you talk the more ignorant you look...if that were possible.

psssssttt ..................don't tell anyone but huskies are dogs.

oh yeah , if it is simply training why don't we use beagles for earth work and terriers to run rabbits? maybe something called instinct?

http://home.pacbell.net/r_hansen/

Large selection of books on how not to train a dog to hunt

I met Plumber a few times over the years, great bloke, unlike the terrier scum around these days.

never met plumber...met a few guys from your country...learned a lot from them...but youi never answered why we use certain breeds for certain tasks if it is all training....face it you are either stupid or a fucking liar...no other option...so which is it?

What that dog is doing to that groundhog has ruined my day.

Thanks.

May have something to do with the physical characteristics of the dog..? So your lurcher can work earth can it? Your terriers run hares down do they? Yeh right, you really do know your hunting don't you LMFAO

Beagles kill fox, not play with them.

Sure he will......And if it is simply physical characteristics then why not use toy poodles for earth work? You truly are an idiot.

Well I did eat my lunch between this post and the last... Terriers fit down holes and into brambles etc big down don't... Lurchers are bred for brains, stamina and speed that's the idea of Dave Hancocks collie cross lurcher, collie adds the brains etc Met Dave a few times over the years also, was a teacher at a school not too far from here.

Beagles are bred for mainly stamina and are used mainly for fox and hare.

I THINK that groundhog was released no worse for the wear grace. contrary to X's assertions it is not a blood thirsty hoard pillaging the country side. We provide a service by killing destructive varmints .............and when possible release what we get.

there are TONS of breeds that will fit but won't go.......wonder why?

Yes with help of a spade... Never said it was just physical characteristics, I said you train your dogs, bring them on with other "game" dogs. Put a pup down to a badger it will soon refuse to go back down, lose it's heart....

why would you need to breed a dog if it's instinct is to hunt, wouldn't matter what dog you used would it? Dog would just hunt at will... No it's you who's the idiot.

I hunted and bred dogs for years, I was good at it.

No need to wonder why, I've been telling you all along.

Hope you enjoyed the cat pics grace, not all dogs are killers, even if these characteristic are bred into them, it's their human trainers with the blood lust.

Face it X....you have been exposed as a liar and an idiot. Plain and simple you CANNOT Train a dog to do what the terriers do. You claim it is training then back pedal. Like I said before , what you DON'T know could fill a book. I could show you pics of damage dogs have taken and were still screaming to get back to the work...you CANNOT Train that. The dogs are exposed to the work and either they take to it instinctually or they don't . A while back a woman tried to breed a strain of working terriers from non working breeds. her claim was that they could be trained to do the work as long as the physical structure was there....dismal failure and a laughing stock among terrier folks.... as are you among knowledgable dog people.

WTF are you yammering about here? first its training and now its breeding ? do you drink a lot X?

You can train any breed to hunt, doesn't matter what the breed you need to bring them on, train. No I don't drink do you?

WTF are you going on about? You show a picture of your lurcher stuck down an earth you half dug to try point out it will work earth then you say you can't train a dog to do what a terrier can... Well you are not going to train a dog to go to ground if it can't fit down the fucking hole are you?!?!?! Apart from the hole terriers kill just like any Lurcher would above ground.

Why would one russle hunt yet another won't hunt if it's instinctual? You state the obvious and call it instinct! If you put your hand on a hot plate you will soon pull it away, now that is innate. A natural ability can and is bred into and out of animals but just because you have a litter that are bred from stock doesn't mean they will all turn into killers at birth. You have to encourage the characteristics you bred for, it's called training.

no one said that begales can't be retarded after all black seems to be

Well it would be a very small book. Steve you knowledge of terriers is limited or you are not admitting to the truth. You train your dogs to hunt. Are you telling me that if you put a pub down to a game badger or fox or what ever and it gets a good ragging it won't break it's heart? Do you just take your new dogs to a hole and it runs down and gets stuck in on it's own? So you don't put a young dog down with an experienced dogs for the first few times? So you don't take them and keep them above just for them to hear the bait? Mmm, me thinks you are either not very good or keeping things back.

I think you spent too much time in the pub

blackie this is the no debate zone ya know

Sure X we EXPOSE the terriers to the work and their instinct takes over. And yes sometimes you do take a dog out the first time and they do the work. Seen it time and again. I have personally had 9 week old pups go to ground. I have seen a 5 year old bitch straight from a pet home NEVER in the woods before go in and do a great job. No training involved.
And my lurcher is 1/4 russell. So yeah INSTINCT is the driving force.

Yes you train them. I have exposed my dogs to animals, never killed one. I've seen young cat's investigate earths and I've seen young dogs do the same, not the same as hunting the pray in the earth.

So I asked a question about young pups, are you going to answer it?

A good friend of mine spent a fortune on two dogs from good stock, one was a great dog but the other was hopeless, you will always get exception to the rule.

So which was the exception?
And you don't ask questions X you make accusations and spew lies. Btw what type of dogs did you use for your earth work?

Oh you lower yourself again but refrain from my question. I've worked many of terriers. I've worked Boarders, Russles and Patterdales. Patterdales are great hardy terriers and so are Boarders. I've had a good boarder lakland cross. Had a Patterdale staff and some staff, pit patterdale cross. Not many use Russles in the UK, shit dogs for anything other than rabbit and small fox.

First off if youwere telling the truth you'd be able to spell the names correctly. Secondly you just blew your entire lie outta the water. Why did you use dogs that INSTINCTIVELY go to earth after game( different terrier b reeds) rather than jus whatev er was handy. Also if it is all training why are russells shit dogs? I mean after all they are trainable right?
Face it , you are a liar and a know nothing blow hard. And a weak opponent.

Yes, I certainly did enjoy them.

Oh so I'm a no nothing blow hard coz I missed the e out of lakeland and I spelt russell wrong...? Yet I got them right, would suggest I didn't look it up.... I make lot's of spelling mistakes but more down to my crap typing.

Jacks are shit because they don't ave the compact strength of the boarder or patterdale crosses or a good size head for the job at hand. Jacks are not the preferred dog in the UK and well you know it.

I have even been in the shooting news a couple of times (Irish) for my hunting dogs. The fact of the matter is that I did have a successfully hunting and was the case for most young lads who lived in Yorkshire pitt villages. Used to hunt most days and nights as a lad and I've hunted everything from fox to Badger in the UK and Ireland.

speaking to me in the appeal to nature fallacy thread
BTW you spelled all 3 names wrong

Speaking to donnie in the same thread

So you have to socialize ( TRAIN) them to keep them from following their instinct.

talking to donnie again same thread

so the dogs do hunt instinctually or not? You seem to be saying one thing in THAT thread, and something else in this one?
They were or were not bred to hunt....either way you answer proves you are full of shit.

Again admitting that hunting is an instinct

I will post you some more over the weeks.

Well I was of the opinion you knew something about hunting dogs but I have seen that you don't. You hunt jacks for a start, a woman's dog.

And?

you have been outed as a poser X face it......you claimed to have 3 breeds of dogs whose names you couldn't spell. Then you trash russells as shit dogs when any dog man would know the variety of dogs within the breed makes such a blanket statement completely stupid. BTW the hardest dog I have ever seen was a russell named BADGER. I never heard him make a sound in the earth. He had a screw loose and attacked me one time too many though.

I quoted what was posted by another steve I went on to state that my dogs have never needed intervention because they have never chased or bothered any other animal. I have been around enough dogs over the years to know they need to be trained to hunt, you have even stated you do with your own. But I suppose I lie..?

OH YEAH not to mention the fact that you have argued both sides of this issue dependant upon which one bolstered your weak ass argument the best. I have to go to work now. Try not to hurt yourself too badly in my absence.........I'd hate to miss it.