rpedog


I wasn't sure of its injuries, if any. Maybe it was just eggbound. Maybe it had the avian flu. And if I was capable, why would I kill an animal who was UPRIGHT and alert? You really should think before you speak.

Well that's nonsense unless you're going to try to argue that it was inevitable that it suffer precisely as long as it did.

Grace

RF

Why would I go there? My choices were leave it or take it to the vet. Actually, in retrospect, I had no other choice but to take it to the vet. I would never leave it there. So my choices were only 1, not 2 as previously stated.

So after asking why you would go there, you proceed there without waiting for the answer.

Sorry Grace...I can't argue with the newfound belief you have in predestiny.

RF I swear we speak 2 different languages. Do you have this trouble in real life? I mean when you address someone, or ask a question, do they look at you with glazed over eyes, maybe scratch their head?

RF

It's not black magic it's common sense. If you leave an injured animal in the roadway eventually it will die by one of several ways.

You've gone on to say there was no choice. Therefore, whatever length of suffering the bird endured was inevitable, right?

Nothing you could have done would have affected that, because you had no choice in what you did.

In effect, when confronted with the idea that the bird's suffering was prolonged, you have adopted the "shit happens" argument.

Upright and alert but not moving when you approached? You don't think this is a sign of serious injury? Are you serious? Ever seen a dog or cat with a broken back? They can look alert with their head up as well. Its the not moving or not attempting to move thats one clue.

You did have another choice. You could have moved it off the road and let critters eat it or put it down.

Yes, the bird was upright, alert and not moving. It could have been a serious injury which could have been helped with veterinary intervention. Believe it or not, many animals are seriously injured and cured! Really! Otherwise who needs friggin vets? You think they never dealt with serious injuries for fuck's sake? It also could have been frozen in fear.

Whatever the case, I cannot put an animal down. Not everyone is capable of what you suggest. Maybe not even yourself.

Many animals are seriously injured and die a long protracted death too because people put their interests ahead of the animal.



I've done it to seriously injured animals but there's nothing easy about it. I've done it to my own when it was their time. I would not own any animal were I not able to do it if it needed to be done. Its very hard to do but its better for them that a stranger not do it.

rpedog

And many animals are seriously injured and made well again.


Grace


rpedog

Do you live in a rural setting? Grew up on a farm, perhaps?

RF

At the time I only thought about getting the bird to the wildlife care center ASAP. The rest is occurring right here. And is irrelavent.

So you found an injured bird. Rather than just grabbing its feet and whacking its head on the pavement you take it to a rehab clinic so THEY could kill it instead?

I did grab it by the feet and whacked it against a fire hydrant. But it was still alive. A tear welled over in one of its eyes and fell slowly down its little birdy cheek. I felt so guilty and tried to make amends, but it was too late for the bird, and for me.

Swing harder next time. Bigger birds you can put your foot across the back of their neck and then grab both feet and pull hard and steady. It will seperate the spinal chord from the brain stem and kill em instantly. You can tell you did it right when their wings start flapping. Don't pull too hard though or their heads come off and they bleed a lot.

OHIOSTEVE


Thanks I printed this and will keep in my wallet.

Like I said.






To you maybe. Others may find quite relevant the fact that you prolonged its suffering even while having different intentions. They may be able to use that knowledge in their own lives and decisions.

Gotta admit that's a clever zing Steve.

Grace

RF

So my options according to you and the rest were to leave it or kill it. I've already established that neither was an options. You talk about AR's telling people what's right and what's wrong while forcing their morals onto others. heh.

What you did was choose to ignore other options.



Nobody is forcing anything onto you. I would not have done what you did but have done it in the past. I was not raised on a farm but came to realize how much suffering people inflicted on animals because they didn't put their interests first.

Absolutely wrong. I know what your options were in reality. They were more than the two you list. I didn't even provide any options for you. I allowed you to tell me what your options were. You eventually got to the point where you claimed you had no options at all. That's fine with me if you want to claim that. I noted the ramifications of such a claim. Your problem is that you understand your claims of limited options and finally no options don't mesh with reality.

So now you want to argue what I didn't say instead of what I did say.

Grace

RF


What were my options? Please, a numbered list.

No thank you. I'm done.

I had a weak moment of boredom. I'm done too.