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Warrior River
http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-end...d-military.html

AND SO IT BEGINS...
We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners.

It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales.

Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless.

Think we jest?

Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:


Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254



March 12, 2009

Larry Haynie
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180

Re: Event 7084-6200:

Dear Larry Haynie,

Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.

If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.

Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.

Sincerely,

Government Liquidation.



Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition.

Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap.

Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S.

"We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me.

He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force.

Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass.

He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market.

Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country.

He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country.

You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.

Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.



THERE IS MUCH MORE TO READ AT THE LINK ABOVE

I didnt remember the rule about quoting articles so I just put a few highlights up LOL
RF
There's a 100-200 sentence rule. I think you're okay with that.

I figured there would be some back door shenanigans with this bunch of Chicago gangsters.

SiberD
Dammit! I thought I had enough ammunition and was concentrating on gold and silver coins. Now I'm gonna have to go back and get even more ammo!
Mr. Venom
QUOTE (SiberD @ Mar 17 2009, 08:28 PM) *
Dammit! I thought I had enough ammunition and was concentrating on gold and silver coins. Now I'm gonna have to go back and get even more ammo!


This last weekend i bought 1500 rnd of .45 230 gr FMJ reloads for $125. I have probably in the neighborhood of 6000 empty hulls for the .45 that my shooting buddy is slowly reloading so we can stock up. That dude has more ammo than Bass Pro!!!
RF
That is a damn good price. Comes out to a little over $4 a box. I wouldn't think they could be reloaded so cheap. I never messed with metallic cartridges much, but I know shotshell components were doing nothing but going up when I was reloading those. I hate to think what they are now. For awhile I think lead shot was nearly triple what I paid for the few bags I still have left downstairs. I should have been investing more in it.

I spent 150 bucks this weekend and all I got was a glorified goldfish bowl thanks to Grace.
Grace
QUOTE (RF @ Mar 17 2009, 09:17 PM) *
That is a damn good price. Comes out to a little over $4 a box. I wouldn't think they could be reloaded so cheap. I never messed with metallic cartridges much, but I know shotshell components were doing nothing but going up when I was reloading those. I hate to think what they are now. For awhile I think lead shot was nearly triple what I paid for the few bags I still have left downstairs. I should have been investing more in it.

I spent 150 bucks this weekend and all I got was a glorified goldfish bowl thanks to Grace.



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Since you have 20 tons + 15 pounds of gravel get yourself a slingshot.
XXMag
QUOTE (Grace @ Mar 18 2009, 08:24 AM) *
Since you have 20 tons + 15 pounds of gravel get yourself a slingshot.


pf.gif Rub salt in the wound.
SiberD
QUOTE (Mr. Venom @ Mar 17 2009, 09:06 PM) *
QUOTE (SiberD @ Mar 17 2009, 08:28 PM) *
Dammit! I thought I had enough ammunition and was concentrating on gold and silver coins. Now I'm gonna have to go back and get even more ammo!


This last weekend i bought 1500 rnd of .45 230 gr FMJ reloads for $125. I have probably in the neighborhood of 6000 empty hulls for the .45 that my shooting buddy is slowly reloading so we can stock up. That dude has more ammo than Bass Pro!!!



Dayum! And I thought I did good picking up some 9mm for $7 a box.
XXMag
Don’t get a spring gobbler habit started. I buy my high velocity turkey loads off the shelf. $1.50 every time the gun goes off, and I shoot the cheap stuff. It’s enough to make a grown man cry.
Mr. Venom
QUOTE (SiberD @ Mar 18 2009, 09:26 AM) *
QUOTE (Mr. Venom @ Mar 17 2009, 09:06 PM) *
QUOTE (SiberD @ Mar 17 2009, 08:28 PM) *
Dammit! I thought I had enough ammunition and was concentrating on gold and silver coins. Now I'm gonna have to go back and get even more ammo!


This last weekend i bought 1500 rnd of .45 230 gr FMJ reloads for $125. I have probably in the neighborhood of 6000 empty hulls for the .45 that my shooting buddy is slowly reloading so we can stock up. That dude has more ammo than Bass Pro!!!



Dayum! And I thought I did good picking up some 9mm for $7 a box.


7 bucks a box is a damn good price. Now I wish I could find some deals like that on .223 and 7.62X39 ammo.
Frankie
QUOTE (Warrior River @ Mar 17 2009, 06:32 PM) *
http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-end...d-military.html

AND SO IT BEGINS...
We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners.

It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales.

Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless.

Think we jest?

Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:


Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254



March 12, 2009

Larry Haynie
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180

Re: Event 7084-6200:

Dear Larry Haynie,

Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.

If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.

Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.

Sincerely,

Government Liquidation.



Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition.

Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap.

Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S.

"We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me.

He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force.

Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass.

He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market.

Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country.

He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country.

You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.

Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.



THERE IS MUCH MORE TO READ AT THE LINK ABOVE

I didnt remember the rule about quoting articles so I just put a few highlights up LOL



DoD reversed this
Grace
Yep here's the link compliment of my husband. Yesterday he took me into an arms store and it was jam packed 20 deep at the counter with people. Lotta cops too. I wish we owned it and were doing such bang up business in this economy. Liquor, guns and cigars are not affected by this recession.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4629


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