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RF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Corbett_(hunter)

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Corbett, Edward James (Jim) (25 July 1875 – 19 April 1955) was an Indian-born British hunter, conservationist and naturalist, famous for slaying a large number of man-eating tigers and leopards in India.

Corbett held the rank of colonel in the British Indian Army and worked for the Bengal and North Western Railway. However, Corbett was frequently called upon by the government of the United Provinces (now the Indian state of Uttarakhand) to slay man-eating tigers and leopards who had killed people in the villages of the Kumaon region. Corbett was able to succeed in many cases where numerous others had failed. Between 1910 and 1938, Corbett shot much-feared man-eaters such as the Champawat Tiger, the Leopard of Rudraprayag, the Tigers of Chowgarh and the Panar Leopard, who had cumulatively killed over a thousand people. His success in slaying the man-eaters earned him much respect and fame amongst the people residing in the villages of Kumaon, many of whom considered him a sadhu (saint).

Corbett was an avid photographer and after his retirement, authored the Maneaters of Kumaon, Jungle Lore and other books recounting his hunts and experiences, which enjoyed much critical acclaim and commercial success.


Corbett's books are damn good reads for the hunters here.


Even for the non-hunters here.

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As his admiration for tigers and leopards grew, he resolved never to shoot them unless they turned man-eater or posed a threat to cattle.


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An excellent hunter, with keen senses, Corbett sometimes stalked to within twenty feet of his prey. Doing so helped ensure a clean, killing shot and helped to ensure that he identified and killed the correct animal. By his own account, Corbett shot the wrong animal at least once, and greatly regretted the incident. In addition, man-eaters are quite capable of stalking the hunter. As a result, Corbett preferred to hunt alone and on foot when pursuing dangerous game.
Grace



I realize this leapord killed over 400 people, but seeing such a magnificent creature lying there dead makes me very sad. Anyone else feel that way? Think about it first (no knee jerk reactions).

XXMag
It would look pretty magnificent stuffed and in my living room.
Grace
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It would look pretty magnificent stuffed and in my living room.



Seriously? I would think a rug would be more useful.
RF
Doesn't make me sad.

You might like the books, Grace. There's very minimal animal killing, though the human body count is staggering with some of those cats. But since it was written a long time ago when manners and decorum were more widely practiced, there really isn't a lot of blood guts and gross factor present in his writing.
Grace
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Doesn't make me sad.

You might like the books, Grace. There's very minimal animal killing, though the human body count is staggering with some of those cats. But since it was written a long time ago when manners and decorum were more widely practiced, there really isn't a lot of blood guts and gross factor present in his writing.



I'll note Corbett on my author list and see if my used book store carries him. They carry almost everything under the sun. Rare books, vintage, out of print, glorious (altho musty) old classics Jack London, Steinbeck, Twain, (and new books too) stuffed into 3 narrow stories with the ground floor featuring non-fiction; the second floor collector books; and the third floor, everything else. Prices range from a dime to $20,000. And they don't trade books or buy from individuals. Overstuffed sofas scattered here and there, so it's a great place to spend an afternoon. TMI? icon_smile.gif
Dave
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It would look pretty magnificent stuffed and in my living room.



Seriously? I would think a rug would be more useful.

I'm sure a leopard skin rug would look magnificent in his living room, too.
XXMag
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It would look pretty magnificent stuffed and in my living room.



Seriously? I would think a rug would be more useful.

I'm sure a leopard skin rug would look magnificent in his living room, too.


Hell yes. Match that zebra striped carpeting in the hall way. I hired Rick James' interior designer. The place is superfreaky.

But I think I'll settle for turning my wife's cat into a rug. That would actually be hillarious, regaling guests with harrowing tales of stalking it through the dense underbrush of the den...

Grace
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QUOTE (XXMag @ Mar 1 2009, 08:51 AM) *
It would look pretty magnificent stuffed and in my living room.



Seriously? I would think a rug would be more useful.

I'm sure a leopard skin rug would look magnificent in his living room, too.



I love animal print rugs. Zebra in particular. Fake of course.
Grace
XXMag
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Hell yes. Match that zebra striped carpeting in the hall way. I hired Rick James' interior designer. The place is superfreaky.


I think that would look COOL. Love that song. Did you see Little Miss Sunshine? In my top 20. The ending was great (speaking of Rick James).


XXMag
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But I think I'll settle for turning my wife's cat into a rug. That would actually be hillarious, regaling guests with harrowing tales of stalking it through the dense underbrush of the den...


You know as much as you bitch about that cat, I don't believe you. In fact, I bet that cat's ass is right next to your pillow at night.
Dave
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You know as much as you bitch about that cat, I don't believe you. In fact, I bet that cat's ass is right next to your pillow at night.

And that's probably because his wife makes him sleep on the floor next to the litter box.
DonnieMacLeod
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I realize this leapord killed over 400 people, but seeing such a magnificent creature lying there dead makes me very sad. Anyone else feel that way? Think about it first (no knee jerk reactions).



I just got an email from the leopards great-great-great-great-great grand son. He said he wished the old man eater was killed a few years sooner because he made it awful hard on the rest of his decedents to survive the fall-out from his man eating tendencies. . Grace,if that were Hitler or Stalins body would you feel the same anxiety and desire ask that question? How do you feel when you see Lenin's body on display or Rasputin's jewels. Just think about it. I don't mind seeing that leopard on though I would feel a bit of remorse if it were the last straw to extinction. If you started to flip through it's stomach contents and found your mom & dads wedding ring ,how would you feel about protecting your grandchildren if your name was Grace Ghandi?
Grace
Donnie
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I just got an email from the leopards great-great-great-great-great grand son. He said he wished the old man eater was killed a few years sooner because he made it awful hard on the rest of his decedents to survive the fall-out from his man eating tendencies. . Grace,if that were Hitler or Stalins body would you feel the same anxiety and desire ask that question?


No..and I don't see the connection. Animals don't practice genocide. Animals cannot reason., etc. etc. etc.

Animals that hunt/kill/eat cannot be compared to Hitler, Donnie. Sorry.
rpedog
If that leopard killed over 400 people then no it doesn't make me feel sad to see it lying there. If it hadn't bothered anyone and someone was out for just a trophy then it would.
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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I just got an email from the leopards great-great-great-great-great grand son. He said he wished the old man eater was killed a few years sooner because he made it awful hard on the rest of his decedents to survive the fall-out from his man eating tendencies. . Grace,if that were Hitler or Stalins body would you feel the same anxiety and desire ask that question?


No..and I don't see the connection. Animals don't practice genocide. Animals cannot reason., etc. etc. etc.

Animals that hunt/kill/eat cannot be compared to Hitler, Donnie. Sorry.



Animals can practice genocide and often do Grace. In fact the big cats all practice genocide and infanticide. I thought you knew about male lions killing the offspring of their formal rivals in a pride or intentionally killing the leopards ,cheetahs, hyenas and other food rivals or the water buffalo intentionally setting out to kill every lion cub they can. Actually since you now know that the big cats can practice genocide& Infanticide you Know the rest of the story so the comparison stands.
Grace
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Donnie
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I just got an email from the leopards great-great-great-great-great grand son. He said he wished the old man eater was killed a few years sooner because he made it awful hard on the rest of his decedents to survive the fall-out from his man eating tendencies. . Grace,if that were Hitler or Stalins body would you feel the same anxiety and desire ask that question?


No..and I don't see the connection. Animals don't practice genocide. Animals cannot reason., etc. etc. etc.

Animals that hunt/kill/eat cannot be compared to Hitler, Donnie. Sorry.



Animals can practice genocide and often do Grace. In fact the big cats all practice genocide and infanticide. I thought you knew about male lions killing the offspring of their formal rivals in a pride or intentionally killing the leopards ,cheetahs, hyenas and other food rivals or the water buffalo intentionally setting out to kill every lion cub they can. Actually since you now know that the big cats can practice genocide& Infanticide you Know the rest of the story so the comparison stands.



genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group


What male lions practice is drivin by instinct to mate again. Again, a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers is not genocide. It's a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers.
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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I just got an email from the leopards great-great-great-great-great grand son. He said he wished the old man eater was killed a few years sooner because he made it awful hard on the rest of his decedents to survive the fall-out from his man eating tendencies. . Grace,if that were Hitler or Stalins body would you feel the same anxiety and desire ask that question?


No..and I don't see the connection. Animals don't practice genocide. Animals cannot reason., etc. etc. etc.

Animals that hunt/kill/eat cannot be compared to Hitler, Donnie. Sorry.



Animals can practice genocide and often do Grace. In fact the big cats all practice genocide and infanticide. I thought you knew about male lions killing the offspring of their formal rivals in a pride or intentionally killing the leopards ,cheetahs, hyenas and other food rivals or the water buffalo intentionally setting out to kill every lion cub they can. Actually since you now know that the big cats can practice genocide& Infanticide you Know the rest of the story so the comparison stands.



genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group


What male lions practice is drivin by instinct to mate again. Again, a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers is not genocide. It's a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers.



Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.
Grace
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Donnie
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I just got an email from the leopards great-great-great-great-great grand son. He said he wished the old man eater was killed a few years sooner because he made it awful hard on the rest of his decedents to survive the fall-out from his man eating tendencies. . Grace,if that were Hitler or Stalins body would you feel the same anxiety and desire ask that question?


No..and I don't see the connection. Animals don't practice genocide. Animals cannot reason., etc. etc. etc.

Animals that hunt/kill/eat cannot be compared to Hitler, Donnie. Sorry.



Animals can practice genocide and often do Grace. In fact the big cats all practice genocide and infanticide. I thought you knew about male lions killing the offspring of their formal rivals in a pride or intentionally killing the leopards ,cheetahs, hyenas and other food rivals or the water buffalo intentionally setting out to kill every lion cub they can. Actually since you now know that the big cats can practice genocide& Infanticide you Know the rest of the story so the comparison stands.



genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group


What male lions practice is drivin by instinct to mate again. Again, a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers is not genocide. It's a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers.



Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



Yeah, and animals have rights.
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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I just got an email from the leopards great-great-great-great-great grand son. He said he wished the old man eater was killed a few years sooner because he made it awful hard on the rest of his decedents to survive the fall-out from his man eating tendencies. . Grace,if that were Hitler or Stalins body would you feel the same anxiety and desire ask that question?


No..and I don't see the connection. Animals don't practice genocide. Animals cannot reason., etc. etc. etc.

Animals that hunt/kill/eat cannot be compared to Hitler, Donnie. Sorry.



Animals can practice genocide and often do Grace. In fact the big cats all practice genocide and infanticide. I thought you knew about male lions killing the offspring of their formal rivals in a pride or intentionally killing the leopards ,cheetahs, hyenas and other food rivals or the water buffalo intentionally setting out to kill every lion cub they can. Actually since you now know that the big cats can practice genocide& Infanticide you Know the rest of the story so the comparison stands.



genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group


What male lions practice is drivin by instinct to mate again. Again, a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers is not genocide. It's a leopard killing and eating 400 villagers.



Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



Yeah, and animals have rights.




I checked with spots the cheetah. Said when Leo the lion or Tigger the Tiger came a visiting ,her litter was wiped out to the last kit and there was no exchange of rights.
Grace
Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.
Dave
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.

Dave
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Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide.

So these humans were going to eat an entire race of people? Or did you mean to imply that they practiced both at the same time?

OR... are you trying to infer that it's okay to kill animals because they do the same shit we kill humans for doing?
XXMag
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.


That's what we call a smackdown in the hood. icon_wink2.gif
XXMag
There I was, crouched behind the love seat, staring into the cold eyes of a killer. We shared this primal instant of killer understanding, and staring into those black, lifeless eyes I knew that it was either him or me. One of us wasn't going to leave the family room alive. Luckily, I had my shovel poised at the ready...
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.




But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???
DonnieMacLeod
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Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide.

So these humans were going to eat an entire race of people? Or did you mean to imply that they practiced both at the same time?

OR... are you trying to infer that it's okay to kill animals because they do the same shit we kill humans for doing?




Where does the term RIGHTS fit into the mix Dave??? Pretty hard to affix rights to the deer or the leopard while missing the fact that genocide is still practiced today and that we in fact are animals ourselves prone to have jurisdictional & territorial disputes that absolve all rights.
Dave
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.




But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???

I don't understand what you're asking.
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.


That's what we call a smackdown in the hood. icon_wink2.gif




Cept that in the hood the same territorial issues are faced by the Crypts & the Bloods but those are still animal traits for territorial & power over another group of animals. Words do not change the exchange between Leo the lion or the Blood's JaBar, when they are out to take down the opposition. All I have seen is a game of words which doesn't change the fact that their are no exchange of rights in any of the above mentioned cases. Does changing words really change the act of killing your adversary as with the lion or the President of the US of A hitting on Iraq or Afghanistan? When the act is complete do you think the Cheetah mother.the Jihadist mother,or American Soldiers mother, will care that they lost a family because they were in the way and words will change the why & the how of it?.
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.




But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???

I don't understand what you're asking.




I think you do Dave. What are words in a territorial dispute where the right to live of ANY animal is lost? The lion is only restricted by the size of his territory but it is obvious that he would pull a Hitler of genocide on all cats which limit his hunting success, (only a word describing the same action as knocking off the Jews or the Shites or Bosnians.
Grace
Donnie
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But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???


Who is the "we" assigning those rights?
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???


Who is the "we" assigning those rights?




You are Grace and you do it often though you know that there are no real rights in the animal world. Please notice that I asked what gives us the right to assign these terms over the animal Kingdom.
Grace
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Donnie
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But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???


Who is the "we" assigning those rights?




You are Grace and you do it often though you know that there are no real rights in the animal world. Please notice that I asked what gives us the right to assign these terms over the animal Kingdom.



Really? Well, then you'll need to support that claim with a quote, as it's similar to your statement where you claimed I said there's no killing in national parks. I never claimed animals have rights, only my personal opinion where they should have the right to be treated humanely while in our care. To which RF responded he hates positive rights. Far reach from animal rights philosphy as we know it.
RF
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To which RF responded he hates positive rights.


I did?
Grace
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To which RF responded he hates positive rights.


I did?



Something like that. But I can't find the thread.
Grace
RF
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Positive rights are the cheapest of bullshit if you ask me


Oh sorry. You didn't say you hated positive rights. I stand corrected.
Dave
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.




But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???

I don't understand what you're asking.




I think you do Dave. What are words in a territorial dispute where the right to live of ANY animal is lost? The lion is only restricted by the size of his territory but it is obvious that he would pull a Hitler of genocide on all cats which limit his hunting success, (only a word describing the same action as knocking off the Jews or the Shites or Bosnians.

Pull a Hitler of genocide on all cats which limit his hunting success? wtf.gif

Cats are territorial... not genocidal. They do not have the forethought to commit genocide. They cannot REASON.

Donnie, you really are as bad as the ARAs with your emotional nonsense. I really see no difference between an ARA telling us it's wrong to kill an animal because its family would miss it and you telling us it's okay to kill animals because they're genocidal and infanticidal. Both are appeals to emotion. Both are attempts to HUMANIZE the actions of animals to further an agenda.

Your conservation arguments make more sense. Maybe you should stick to those?
Grace
Yeah he seems to be going off the deep end with this ARA-speak. I can't believe he actually buys it. Animals commiting genocide. I tend to believe he's trying to drive some worthless point and the tip broke off long ago.
XXMag
Turns out that my library has two of his books. I'll check one of them out once I finish with my current read.

They have cool titles. I remember man eater and killer being prominent.
DonnieMacLeod
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Donnie
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Infanticide & genocide are practiced in the Cat kingdom Grace. Simply denying it doesn't change that FACT.



You are assigning human terms for sake of consistency in supporting your Hitler/leopard comparison. The young of animals are not called infants. Animals eating their young would more aptly be called cannibalism. Animals hunting and eating prey is also not called genocide.



Ain't it strange how I used the ARA's own fuzzy feeling to trap the truth Grace?? You have just gone through a thread that proves my point about taking down those cats is validated by their own actions through inter-species killings and even among their own groups. Lots of humans practiced cannibalism while practicing genocide. Go figure.

Grace is right. Animals cannot practice infanticide or genocide or any other word we made up for what HUMANS do to each other.

If you are willing to accept that animals cannot reason then it makes no sense to attach reason to their actions. They are animals. That's it.




But we can assign the term rights to encompass the animal kingdom and deny that we are animals ourselves???

I don't understand what you're asking.




I think you do Dave. What are words in a territorial dispute where the right to live of ANY animal is lost? The lion is only restricted by the size of his territory but it is obvious that he would pull a Hitler of genocide on all cats which limit his hunting success, (only a word describing the same action as knocking off the Jews or the Shites or Bosnians.

Pull a Hitler of genocide on all cats which limit his hunting success? wtf.gif

Cats are territorial... not genocidal. They do not have the forethought to commit genocide. They cannot REASON.

Donnie, you really are as bad as the ARAs with your emotional nonsense. I really see no difference between an ARA telling us it's wrong to kill an animal because its family would miss it and you telling us it's okay to kill animals because they're genocidal and infanticidal. Both are appeals to emotion. Both are attempts to HUMANIZE the actions of animals to further an agenda.

Your conservation arguments make more sense. Maybe you should stick to those?




Sorry you missed the point Dave. The point being words are the only difference between the lion killing the cheetah kittens and the lion cubs or the leopard kittens. The object is to destroy the competition and words don't mean much in the final analysis. I am ridiculing the emotionalism within the words assigned by humans .
Grace
QUOTE (XXMag @ Mar 4 2009, 09:00 PM) *
Turns out that my library has two of his books. I'll check one of them out once I finish with my current read.

They have cool titles. I remember man eater and killer being prominent.



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