Violence To Animals Becomes Violence To People

ROBERT PICKTON: DID HE CAUSE MAD HUMAN DISEASE IN KILLING
60 WOMEN AND FEEDING THEIR BODIES TO HIS PIGS

Robert Pickton of Port Coquitlam in B.C. Canada is a pig farmer alleged to be Canada's worst serial killer. He was charged in May of 2005 with 12 new counts of first-degree murder as part of a probe into the disappearances of more than 60 women. He fed the corpses to his pigs... who were in turn fed to human beings,
perhaps causing Mad Human Disease. http://www.mad-cow.org
http://www.hogwatchmanitoba.org

TIMOTHY MCVEIGH

Timothy McVeigh worked at Burger King. In his prison diary he
says that when he flunked out of the Rangers, the CIA recruited
him for the OKC bombing with 2 million cash, which they later stole back.
(Since then Burger King has added a veggieburger to the menu..
However it is still advertising the flesh of animals on the airwaves)


MICHAEL ROSS

When he was a little boy on a poultry farm in Connecticut, Michael's
father made him strangle to death sick little baby chicks. He grew up
to strangle 8 women, before having a spiritual conversion. The State
of Connecticut multiplied the violence by murdering him in the
name of the people of Connecticut, a majority of whom are
abolitionists. http://www.upc-online.org


ROBERT SILVIERA

Robert Silviera in jail in Eugene Oregon for the murder of
28 people who traveled as hobos.. was subjected as a child to a
father who cut off his pet rabbits' heads and cooked them for
dinner.

JOHN WAYNE GACY

John Wayne Gacy, serial killer of over 30 men, worked as the
manager of a Kentucky Fried Chicken. http://www.kfccruelty.com

JEFFREY DAHMER

Jeffrey Dahmer who kidnapped young men, killed them,
and preserved their flesh said in one of his final interviews in jail
before he was murdered that he had first contracted a taste for
the feel of dead flesh in a high school biology class in Bath Ohio.
http://www.poetwill.org Scroll down to OSU's Holbrook's latest barbarism


MICHAEL SWANGO

Michael Swango learned to objectify living creatures at Ohio State
Medical School in vivisection before he went on to kill more than
100 people in the US and Africa. Ohio State is still teaching its
students to kill, and President Holbrook is party to a lawsuit
in which PCRM sues the university for a course in which
students are taught to break mice spines.
http://www.pcrm.org (do search for OSU course)

COLUMBINE

In Littleton Colorado the actions which preceded the machinegunning
of students were the deaths of tens of thousands of prairie dogs
through poison, clubbing, traps etc. arranged by Littleton
'developers', once again illustrating the Pied Piper theme..
that to kill animals recoils on children. Those with the spiritual gift
of discernment have sometimes seen the red auras around
places of great violence to animals.

HAROLD SHIPMAN, MD
Dr Harold Shipman is reported to have killed as many as 150 of his
women patients. Shipman was trained as a vivisector in a British medical school.

JACK THE RIPPER MD

Jack The Ripper was a physician trained in vivisection (cutting
animals open alive). http://www.neavs.org/ http://www.aavs.org/

LEONARD LAKE
Leonard Lake is a Californian who killed 19 known and
many unknownvictims (bone fragments not identified) copied a frequent
biology experiment, that of dissolving animal flesh in acid, an
experiment taught in both public and parochial schools. Lake as a high
school student dissolved many mice in acid.

ROBERT HANSON
Robert Hanson, the serial rapist of 30 women and murderer of dozens found that the hunter became the hunted as police searched for him.
.His modus operandi was to release women in the Alaska woods
and then stalk them with bow and arrows. Cleveland Amory before his
death recounted that animals can be found alive with 12 arrows in
them.

DANNY ROLLING
Danny Rolling who killed 3 in Shreveport, Louisiana wrote his brother a letter describing how best to
kill a deer with a knife. He did this right before his killing of
5 Gainesville Floridians.

JURIES

British juries in the 19th century did not allow butchers to judge
others. It was felt that the job of killing animals desentitized them
to suffering.



ARTHUR SHAWCROSS

Arthur Shawcross who hunted and fished near the Genesee River in NY
and used that as training in the slaughter of 11 women.



FRANK SWEENEY, MD
Frank Edward Sweeney, MD, trained in vivisection, practiced
medicine in Cleveland Ohio where Eliot Ness refused to apprehend him
for the murders, decapitation and dismemberment of twelve. (Ness went
on to Diebold after Diebold helped install McKinley as president iin the first
part of the 20th Century and before Diebold twice put minority votegetter
Bush in the White House. http://www.blackboxvoting.org

MURDERS
Murders have often been listed as hunting accidents.

FAST FOOD AND VIOLENCE
The Arkansas boys who killed their school mates
wrote from prison that they missed their
fast food diet (adrenalin from frightened animals is a protein
enzyme not entirely broken by cooking.)(Eating flesh is literally eating violence, terror, and fright). Meat is biochemically addictive
containing trioxypurine (uric acid or preurine) which is more addictive
than caffein.

http://www.wickedwendys.com/gaskilling.html


M MICHAEL MCDERMOTT M Michael McDermott who in December killed 7 at his place of work in Massachusetts preferred McDonald's food,
reported the Boston Globe, a newspaper which has been mostly silent
about vivisection at Harvard, Boston Univesity, Tufts, etc.
http://www.mcspotlight.org http://www.neavs.org.

POLITICAL VIOLENCE

THE COWBOY CULTURE
Western cattlemen, used to the murder of shrieking or lowing animals, found it easy to bypass the law and hang cattle rustlers.

TWO GOVERNORS WITH MANY EXECUTIONS
Governor Rick Perry was a cattle rancher before attempting to
rival cattleman George Bush in the serial killing record of Texas executions

ANTONIN SCALIA, DICK CHENEY, AND SENATOR CORNYN OF TEXAS

Scalia, Cheney and Cornyn are all duck hunters. All 3 have
worked for the slaughter of human innocents as well.



MERCK'S VIVISECTION AND "SMALLPOX VACCINE" IN AFRICA
Leonard Horowitz has written at least 9 books about Merck and other
bioterrorists. Merck's founder George Merck developed biological weapons for the Dept of Defense. One of these was 'smallpox vaccine', which
caused AIDS throughout Africa. Pierce Wright, former science editor
of the London Times (before Murdoch's stranglehold on the paper)
and President Mbeki of S. Africa are 2 of many who have
published exposes.

BETHESDA NAVAL HOSPITAL RESTRAINING CHAIRS USED AT ABU
GHRAIB

Newsweek November 21, 2005 showed a picture of an Abu Ghraib
inmate in a restraining chair. (Newsweek and the Post had
promoted the illegal war.) Bethesda Naval and other facilities
had kept primates in restraining chairs for several months..
leading lives of quiet despair and physical agony before their deaths.

and from another site:
... the man who directed the reopening of the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq last year and trained the guards there resigned under pressure as director of the Utah Department of Corrections in 1997 after an inmate died while shackled to a restraining chair for 16 hours. The inmate, who suffered from schizophrenia, was kept naked the whole time.

The Utah official, Lane McCotter, later became an executive of a private prison company, one of whose jails was under investigation by the Justice Department when he was sent to Iraq as part of a team of prison officials, judges, prosecutors and police chiefs picked by Attorney General John Ashcroft to rebuild the country's criminal justice system.

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NORMAN SCHWARZKOPF

Norman Schwarzkopf, general during "Desert Storm" is an awarded
member of the Safari Club as are George Bush Sr and Jr. To be a member of the Safari Club , one must kill 300 different KINDS of animals. This objectification of animal life transfers to humans.
Schwarzkopf bombed whiteflagged SURRENDERING
soldiers on the "Death Road" from Kuwait to Baghdad. So many soldiers were bombed like sardines they were bulldozed into graves.
He did not want to quit the mass murder when ordered to by the
White House. These were also old people in donkey carts,
children, people fleeing from Kuwait.


Matthew Scully, former Bush speechwriter, has written
the book Dominion about the Safari
Club and other regime atrocities.
http://www.matthewscully.com

The Smithsonian has accepted the body of an illegally murdered
bighorn sheep from a Republican contributor.

The Rutherford Institute in Charlottesville Va is a conservative
group http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/comm...p?record_id=210

ANIMAL FLESH IS DENSE, AND VIBRATES AT A LOWER FREQUENCY.

As crime is associated with hidden places and darkness, goodness is associated with light. The more fruit and vitamin C in the diet, the more
comfortable human beings are with sunlight. The more meat in the
diet, the more people crave darkness. Of all the categories of
food humans eat, from slaughtered animals and stolen dairy products
to fruit, fruit is the nearest to light itself.

VIOLENCE TO WOMEN

The European Union has banned American meat and dairy products
because the female hormones given US animals cause prostate, breast,
and uterine cancer. Prostate cancer is 8 times more frequent in the US
than Japan. In addition, hormones stimulate unnaturally the
sex drive, adding to the rape, prostitutition, and incest
statistics. (NPR reported in February that just as
car insurance companies eliminate high risk drivers or charge
more, so dietary risk clients with high meat and dairy consumption
are being eliminated by a British insurance company.)

PROFILE

(from mayhem.net)

Serial killers tend to be white, heterosexual males in their twenties and thirties who are sexually dysfunctional and have low self-esteem.

Their methodical rampages are almost always sexual in nature. Their killings are usually part of an elaborate fantasy that builds to a climax at the moment of their murderous outburst. Serial killers generally murder strangers with cooling off periods between each crime. Many enjoy cannibalism, necrophilia and keep trophy-like body parts as mementos of their work. Serial killers are sadistic in nature. Some return to crime scenes or grave sites of their victims to fantasize about their deeds. Many like to insert themselves in the investigation of their crimes and some enjoy taunting authorities with letters or carefully placed pieces of evidence.

Serial killers tend to prey on women and children of their same race. Prostitutes, drifters and hitchhikers are their victims of choice. Some homosexual killers enjoy hunting young boys and gay men.

VIOLENCE IN GENERAL

James Prado Roberts:
Animal cruelty and youth violence have strong links, according to a
September report authored by Utah State University professor Frank R.
Ascione and published by the federal Office of Juvenile Justice and
Delinquency Prevention.

A study of nine school shootings from 1996 to 1999 showed that five
of the 11 shooters had histories of alleged animal abuse.

In the late 1970s, the FBI interviewed 36 people connected with
multiple murders. A third said they had tortured and killed animals
as children. Nearly half said they did so as adolescents.

The FBI stated that one common factor of children involved in violent
acts is their training in weapons by hunter parents.

TELEVISION

In broadcasting depictions of violence, television has been correlated
to violent behavior in children and adults. Teachers reported
increased schoolyard punching after The Three Stooges
began airing. The major networks are all involved in making
billions in profit from meat ads which objectify animals as
pieces of food.
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/03/mediaviolence.htm



US: CHICAGO

At the time that Chicago was the crime capital of the world,
it was also the slaughterhouse capital as well as the
meat industry financial capital. It is no longer the crime or
slaughterhouse capital.

NIGERIA

In Lagos, Christian and Muslim butchers started a riot with
each other over distribution and territory conflicts.

POLAND

An intelligence paper released about Poland in the 80's concluded
that the major cause of the unrest was a shortage of animal flesh.
(The trioxypurine or uric acid in meat is pre urine.
It is more addictive than caffein which is dioxypurine.) (If you
are in the process of breaking a meat addiction, you can take out
a veggieburger and whiz on it.)



RUSSIA
Russian news in late November, 2000, , reported that a butcher sold his five year old nephew to the west for 90 thousand dollars. The boy was
scheduled to be killed for parts. Russian police stopped the killing






"If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men..."
St. Francis of Assisi

For all those on this list, for all their human and animal victims,
for all beings, we pray now to God who resides in the temple hearts
of all beings. Thank You for now and forever ending all violence to
any creature.[/b]



INDEX:
COLUMBINE
JACK THE RIPPER MD
JEFFREY DAHMER
JOHN WAYNE GACY
ROBERT HANSON
LEONARD LAKE
TIMOTHY MCVEIGH
GEORGE MERCK
ROBERT PICKTON
DANNY ROLLING
MICHAEL ROSS
ANTONIN SCALIA
NORMAN SCHWARZKOPF
ARTHUR SHAWCROSS
HAROLD SHIPMAN MD
ROBERT SILVIERA
MICHAEL SWANGO MD
FRANK SWEENEY MD
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The brutal BTK killer was a top Humane Society official for his city.
Your list no more proves that killers of humans were made that way by killing of animals than does this fact on the BTK killer prove that ALL Humane Society officials will turn into rapist and killers.

this arguement was tried by someone or one of barb's aliases on another board....*yawn

I'd be willing to bet that almost all of those people on that list owned a pet at one time in their life, too.

See now we gotta watch out for those evil ass pet owners. Next thing you know they'll be coming after us with butcher knives and stuff.

I would like to see AI post a study that draws that conclusion.

And they are out there, AI. But, as far as I know, no one with a eye for science will make a blanket statement like "Violence To Animals Becomes Violence To People". There's a bit more to it than that.

I'm not trying to confirm or deny a correlation, I just wouldn't make that correlation from the reguritation of propaganda from ARA websites.

These are making me shake my head.

When ARC108 places these claims on other boards AR doesn't have the intestional fortitude to debate those claims either. Then again the poor soul thinks the stars are giving the guidance needed to get through life.

Gosh, I wonder if my kids will end up being serial killers because I've "subjected them" to raising, butchering and eating rabbit.



Love how they state this as fact, yet no one was ever caught for the crimes of Jack the Ripper, and the doctor was only one of the suspects. Patricia Cornwell has written a book called "Portrait of a Killer", which makes a compelling argument that the killer was the artist, Walter Sickert.

The whole post is just more AR silliness.

Good catches, ST.

I have that book somewhere and never read it, I believe. That title sounds really familiar and I know a few years ago I got a few of her books from a book club but never got to those ones.

Time to start digging...

She spent a great deal of her own money ($6 million, I think) on this investigation. She used modern forensic methods to arrive at her conclusions. Mind you, her conclusions are also disputed, but I found her book to be interesting reading.

Let's just define "violence to animals".

Violence to animals does not appear to mean owning, training, or destroying animals for some purpose (food, clothing, etc.)

Sure, people who exhibit weird and violent behavior early in their lives are prone to violence towards humans....in other words, it isn't surprising that a person who will intentionally torture an animal just for jollies is a psychopath who eventually turns violent towards humans.

Let's not confuse these people with your regular, run of the mill meat eater or hunter, because they aren't the same.

The AR stance is that they are, of course. But using these examples to try to prove that hare-brained opinion falls flat on its face.

Thanks for posting about Jack the Ripper, ST! I was wondering if I missed where they had figured out who he really is! I liked Cornwell's book, she had some pretty good stuff in there.

So let's see, Columbine happened because of the deaths of prarie dogs???? How about it was caused by two teenage boys who really needed help.

And because I just had some nice lamb for dinner I must be ready to go kill someone. Just on a side note, my farm hits 2 years of operation in 3 days...we have rescued 78 horses and adopted out 46 of them. We are getting 8 new rescues this weekend.

That's terrific!

I don't quite see how one serial killer running a humane society somehow refutes the claim being made. One of the job requirements could be visiting the cities animal shelter and possibly observing the weekly killing of unwanted animals.

It's generally agreed that most serial killers started by killing animals, now keep in mind where one is in the country may have an affect as well. For instance, a young boy killing animals in middle america may have a more dramatic affect than a young boy who grows up around hunters.

Welcome to the board, Alex.



Rufute what claim? That violence to animals becomes violence to people?

I can buy that there are some people who have abused animals who now abuse people.... but I don't believe that the former is a prerequisite for the latter.






Last I checked we had hunters in middle america. Where do you speak of exactly?

I could be wrong on this but from reading many true crime books, most serial killers don't start off with killing animals. Many of them start off killing a human and find it enjoyable, or figure they are doing the world a favor by eliminating a certain person or persons. Most of them are thought of as well adjusted and people are shocked they would commit such crimes.

Let's focus on hunters. Because no one can refute that hunting is violence towards animals.

Now lets think about the sheer number of hunters in this country.

If the title of this thread and the drivel that followed was even remotely true none of us would dare leave the house.

The entire country would be murderous maniacs from one coast to another. I won't refute that pshcholigists have used animal torture as an indication of a disturbued person. The violence is a symptom of a deeper problem. Simply stating that one form of violence leads to another is oversimplified baloney.

I could be wrong but I'm thinking that most hunters don't start out by poking cats to death with a barbeque fork, or pouring gasoline on a dog and lighting it on fire. Most hunters (I could be wrong again.. but upon doing some reading I think I'm not) actually take care with the animals they hunt trying to cause as little pain as possible with a quick kill.

I don't see how hunting is the same as some kid who gets his rocks off torturing animals for fun.

The theory is a lot like the one about children who play with fire end up to be arsonists as adults.

Hell, if that were true I would be an arsonist.

I wonder what the theory is about kids who force fed other kids dog food and made them jump on trampolines until they got sick.

Oh, eww.

We used to try to make our friends eat the dogs liva-snaps. (dog treats)

We put dogfood in marshmallows and fed them to the kids next door.

Hmm.. does that mean we're going to become violent to animals as we get older since we were mean to humans when we were younger?

I think it means we are supposed to be lacing food to poison people in our adulthood.

Ori! We've missed our calling!

Yup.. we should be working in fast food!

Here's a oldie. It caught my attention: Some ARA's certainly love to play the 'animal-killing ends up human killing' card for all it's worth.

Actually, it is a pattern not of merely killing animals, but of torturing animals to death (quite literally). They start small and then as their compulsion escalates, the animals can become larger and more complex. Also associated with this is juvenile firesetting and sometimes an extremely traumatic (life threatening) event during early childhood. I can't recall sources and I am too tired to look it up, but I've read it somewhere before.

Please note that one cannot infer causation from a purely correlational relationship, but it certainly suggests merit in further investigation.

Sometimes the goal is the whole correlation of the research. You might want to check Topics from other boards. I replied to your question there about the satire videos.